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Publication date of autobiography isn't 1771[edit]

While he started it then, the first edition was published (in French) in 1791. The bibliographic entry for this work should be a specific and accurate version. For instance:

Franklin, Benjamin (2004) [1791], Houston, Alan, ed., The "autobiography" and other writings on politics, economics, and virtue (PDF), Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 9780521834964, retrieved 2016-05-03 

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a citation needs to be removed[edit]

It's currently cit#2 - "Inventor". The Franklin Institute. Retrieved April 25, 2012. The page no longer exists. -edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:300:8DA5:A505:9D08:34BA:8575 (talk) 05:24, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Exhibitions[edit]

Hi Wikipedia - there is an image of bronze sculptures at the National Convention Center on the existing page with no attribution to the sculptor of Ben Franklin (Stuart Williamson). Will an editor please add to the Exhibitions section: The National Constitution Center in Philadelphia which opened July 4, 2003 features Signers’ Hall and its 42 life-size, bronze statues of the Founding Fathers. These statues were created by artists at StudioEIS in Brooklyn and sculptor Stuart Williamson led the team and established the sculptural style for the sculpting of Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and five other signers.[1][2] --6BravosToros (talk) 16:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Is there any particular reason you can't do the edit yourself? but anyway, a couple of thoughts:
  1. I think you meant to refer to the National Constitutional Center article.
  2. Your text is not completely supported by the cited references. 1)The NY Times ref does not specifically state which signers Williamson was responsible for, just that he "...did the heads of the major figures..." 2) Neither of the two cited refs categorically state that Williamson led the team. The NYTimes ref mentions Ivan Schwartz as also being responsible, the Constitution Center FAQs ref only says that "...were created by artists at Studio EIS in Brooklyn."
  3. If you do place some of the content within the article there is no need to Wikilink the article title within the actual article itself.
Shearonink (talk) 17:14, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate your feedback. For some reason I had no access to edit the page when I looked at it last night so thought for it had been locked from editing. Re: your comment about my suggested text and references, the text from the New York Times article states: "He (Ivan Schwartz) and Stuart Williamson, the portrait sculptor from London who did the heads of the major figures and oversaw the portraits of the other delegates, reviewed all the painted and drawn studies they could find. They also gleaned details about the delegates' faces from family letters of the time. What was most challenging about the Franklin portrait was to achieve the sort of vitality he expressed in everything he did, Mr. Williamson said. He tried to combine the monumental feel of the marble bust by Houdon with the wonderful personality traits expressed by Joseph Siffrede Duplessis in his 1785 portrait of Franklin, which is at the Metropolitan Museum." I will also add this reference: [3] where at page 9 the sculpture model (Mr. Ray Smock) for the Franklin statue talks about the final sitting for the sculpting of the bust by Stuart Williamson. No other sculptor is mentioned nor would there be as the essence of Franklin (i.e., the bust) is entirely Mr. Williamson's art. I do, however, mention in my edit StudioEIS to give credit to all the artists who participated in overall project. Anyway, I again appreciate the feedback and think with the added reference it is reasonably supported that the sculptor of the Franklin bust was Mr. Williamson and I think the NYT statement "did the heads of the major figures and oversaw the portraits of the other delegates" is consistent with the comment "lead the team on the sculpting style." Thanks again --6BravosToros (talk) 05:47, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Indentured Apprentice[edit]

...at 12 he became an apprentice to his brother James, a printer... I don't think "apprentice" adequately covers Benjamin Franklin's situation. In an item in Smithsonian magazine regarding whether many Irish immigrants came here as slaves I found, "A great number of poor Europeans, including the Irish, were brought to the Colonies as indentured servants. Their servitude was limited to a contractually set period of time, but they had no legal rights and were sometimes treated as cruelly as slaves—and sometimes ran away. Even Boston-born Ben Franklin, indentured to his much older brother to learn printing, fled and moved to Philadelphia." [4] [emphasis added] Dick Kimball (talk) 15:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

No one alleges that young Franklin was mistreated. Rjensen (talk) 16:13, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  1. ^ http://constitutioncenter.org/about/about-faqs/
  2. ^ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/24/arts/art-architecture-founding-fathers-large-as-life.html
  3. ^ www.byrdcenter.org/uploads/6/7/8/7/67873389/smock_ray.pdf
  4. ^ Ruffins, Fath, Curator, National Museum of American History; Smithsonian magazine, Vol. 47, No. 8, December 2016; "Ask Smithsonian," p. 104