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Bermondsey also gained the first underground tube railway, the Tower Subway of 1869-1870. This was supplanted in 1894 by Tower Bridge, which links the westernmost edge of Bermondsey to the City of London. - if Tower Bridge is the western border of Bermondsey the Tower Subway can't be in Bermondsey.

WRONG: The Tower Subway had a hauled cart on a track, which was prone to break down, so was removed and became a pedestrian tunnel; this hardly constitutes a 'tube railway' in the sense understood even at that time. In the period between 1870 and 1894 there was no local authority called 'Bermondsey' other than the 'civil parish' created under the 1855 Metropolis Management Act. The area between St Saviour's / Dockhead was a parish 'union' ('District Board of Works') between the Southwark parishes of St Olave's, St John-Horsleydown and St Thomas. In 1899 the parishes of Southwark St Olave and St Thomas were combined as a civil Parish. Both were known as 'St Olave's'. Sortly after these were placed in the Metro Boro of Bermondsey, which explains why some believe they have always been in something called 'Bermondsey' today. An example; the 1571 Seal of the St Olave grammar school is inscribed "The Seal of the Free School of the Parishioners of St Olave's Southwark, Found by Q Elz" 79.75.2.246 (talk) 13:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC) (Tony S)

WRONG; Definitions of 'Bermondsey' are anachronistic, and Tower Bridge has never been a boundary of anything. The site of the Tower Subway, when used as a passenger system, wasn't in the 'Metropolitan Borough of Bermondsey', but St Olave's, as that only existed from 1900 to 1964, as UTC says below. 79.75.2.246 (talk) 13:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC) (Tony S)

The Met Boro went further west than Tower Bridge to about as far as Weston Street. There are still a few street signs that have survived since 1965 indicating this. MRSC 20:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

YES: Met Boro boundary went along just behind the eastern side of Borough High Street. 79.75.2.246 (talk) 13:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)(Tony S)

Despite the confusion as to the 'boundaries' of Bermondsey, I think it would be best to include Tower Subway and Hay's Wharf. --Robert 10:03, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

THE DISCUSSION is confused because of lack of definition of 'Bermondsey' within a specified period. An example is the use of 'Tooley Street', which is part of old Southwark and was in the Metro Boro of Bermondsey for only the first part of the twentieth century. The contribution below is not about anywhere recognisable as the place under discussion at all. 79.75.2.246 (talk) 13:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC) (Tony S)


Lets see if i can help clarify things ,ive lived here in Bermondsey all my life and cannot believe you guys marked it as being unsignificant.It runs from South Bermondsey Stn which is also home to our football team MILLWALL FC...NO1 LIKES US ..WE DONT CARE!...THE LIONS FROM THE DEN,2 mins further up the OLD KENT RD famous the world over for featuring as the cheapest RD ...on the Monopoly board.Then we stretch right up to London Bridge,Southwark Cathedral,Borough Market,The Globe Theatre,The Tate Modern Art Gallery,Tooley Street,Wine Cellars,Britain At War Exhibition,The London Dungeons,Open-Top Buses,Thames River Cruise,HMS.Belfast,Tower Bridge and Tower of London,The Engine Rooms,Bermondsey Sq antique market,Shad Thames where Oliver Twist was filmed,Restaurants,Tavernas,Pubs,Were on the route of the annual London Marathon,Guys Hospital Old Operating Theatre,Guys teaching hospital...i could go on selling Bermondsey to you for hours but i think ive said enough to put us on the map where we rightfully belong dont you...i rest my case!

WRONG IN ALL ASSERTIONS: 'The New Den', the ground of Millwall FC, is in the London Borough of Lewisham and previously the Metropolitan Borough of Deptford. Old Kent Road was in Camberwell parish and its succeeding Metropolitan Borough. I have covered the other places in my comments above or in my edit of the article. 79.75.2.246 (talk) 13:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC) (Tony S)