Talk:Bhimbetka rock shelters

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Questions re Rock art & paintings[edit]

I have questions about some of the statements made in the section "Rock art & paintings". To begin with, it suggests an age of 12,000 years for the oldest paintings, but this is at odds with the number given in the article's intro, which is 9,000 years. This really needs to be sorted out.

Another question is regarding the use of the terms "dye" and "pigment", which seem to have been used interchangeably, as if they are essentially the same thing. But, in fact, they are quite distinct, as can be seen from a quick look at the linked articles. I am rather doubtful that any dyes were used in the paintings -- my educated guess is that they were done entirely with pigments. Again, this point needs to be clarified. Hopefully, the editor(s) who wrote this paragraph can resolve the issue. Cgingold 13:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Please change, correct, or remove whatever unsourced material you find in the article. That is a perfectly correct action for you to take and will result in an improved article. Sincerely, --Mattisse 13:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I would have made changes & corrections already, if I knew enough about the subject to do so. I'm hoping that somebody who has researched the subject will follow through on these issues that I've raised. Cgingold 15:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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Can someone enlighten me with reference as to the basis of this cliam: "The name Bhimbetika comes from the mythological association of the place with Bhima, one of the Pandavas, the five sons of king Pandu and the queens Kunti and Madri in the Hindu epic Mahabharata?"

regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prophetoffrivolity (talkcontribs) 05:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

It is surprising that none of the papers written by Mr. Wakankar, an eminent archaelogist as well as the subsequent scientific analysis of the Bhimbetka site is ommitted. The page has the feel of a tourism site. I urge the scholars in this area to please add the missing details and links. It would be good if someone can write about the ecology and the environment around this site and comment on the present conditions.

Umaxim —Preceding unsigned comment added by Umaximm (talkcontribs) 12:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


Can someone please clarify if the dating for the petroglyphs is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:39, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I too second it. Not enough clarity about scholarly sources and dates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Earliest occupation[edit]

There is evidence of Acheulean occupation. However, Wakanker's work is disputed:"Some of the best-known Late Acheulean assemblages in north-central India come from Bhimbetka (Misra 1978). where hundreds of rock-shelters (many with rock paintings) are situated in a hilly and forested area in Madhya Pradesh. Wakanker (1973) initially proposed that the Acheulean hori- zon at one of the excavated rock-shelters was underlain by a "pebble-tool horizon, both being separated by a sterile layer, implying possible technological progression between the two traditions. However, subsequent excavations by Misra (1985) at Shelter III F-23 did not support Wakanker's claims for a pre-Acheulean industry in this area.[1] Sourcebook of Paleolithic Transitions[2]. We should be sticking to archaeological sources for this, by the way. Dougweller (talk) 15:03, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

There are some more sources, that puts 300,000 years as the date. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:09, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
More recent archaeological reports? Or? Dougweller (talk) 16:41, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
[3] From 2008. [4] 2011, check out. Bladesmulti (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Missed all this. One of them says mesolithic on page 53 and page 55 says more than 10000 years ago. The other is a book on climate change, clearly not an RS. The Bradshaw Foundation[5] says "Excavations carried out at Bhimbetka have revealed occupational deposits ranging from the Acheulian to Historical times. As to the art, the three main periods recognized by most Indian researchers (Mesolithic roughly 12,000 to 5,000 BP, Chalcolithic (rougly 5,000 to 2,500 BP) and Historical, from 2,500 BP onwards) are present on the shelter walls." Which doesn't match our article. Dougweller (talk) 16:23, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Brought previous lead back[6] I will definitely look into these as well as other potential sources and let you know. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:47, 11 September 2014 (UTC)