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Bhutto was Raajpoot. According to Rana Ali, Jazz waaly. Ahmad ka dost. Bano k rishtydaar. "Baat pta he kia" se iqtabaas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.11.219 (talk) 17:51, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Prior to PPP Chairwoman Benazir Bhutto’s return, Pagaro had stood firm on not forming any sort of alliance with Shujaat’s party. However, on Saturday, the 80-year-old politician declared an alliance against the PPP.

Musharraf to decide: “A decision on a grand alliance against the PPP will be taken by President General Pervez Musharraf,” Pagaro told reporters after a meeting with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz and Shujaat at Kingri House, also attended by Sindh Chief Minister Arbab Ghulam Rahim and Sindh Governor Dr Ishratul Ibad. sharraf) should learn a lesson from the past and select better comrades to contest against the PPP,” he added.

The PML-F said Shujaat was a “rough stone”, which would be “polished into a hero”.

PM Aziz said that Pagaro’s perceptions and predictions about the country’s future remained important. “This meeting with Pir Pagaro was very useful because Chaudhry Shujaat was also present,” the prime minister said.

“We will give the PPP a tough time in Punjab,” Shujaat said. “We will hold free and fair elections and the PPP will be washed out of the province,” he added.

Pagaro said he did not know who was involved in the October 18 bomb blasts in Bhutto’s rally.

When Aziz, Shujaat, Rahim and Ibad reached Kingri House at 3.30pm on Saturday, Pir Pagaro turned towards reporters and said, “Ab me ek shararat kar raha hoon [I’m about to pull a trick].” He then turned the mouth of a toy cannon on his table towards Chaudhry Shujaat, whereupon Shujaat replied, “Agar ye pyar say hay tau theek hay, aur mujhe khushi hay [if it is with love, then it’s alright and I’m happy about it].” Arbab Rahim then said, “Ab ye People’s Party ki taraf hona chahiyay (now the toy cannon should be pointed towards the PPP).”

Pir Pagaro said, “Zulfikar Ali Bhutto Arain hay, aur wo Punjab say hay (ZA Bhutto was from the Arain caste and that is from Punjab).”

Arbab Rahim replied, “Haan lekin, Chaudhry Jatt hain, or Araiyon se unki banti nahi (yes, but Chaudhry Shujaat is a Jatt and they never get along with Arains). These are the words of great spirtual leader of sindh that surely carries weight whereas ur knowledge is fake.I do not know who r u but i am sure abt u that u r the biggest bulshit out here . i think that ur not a pakistani or muslims . and i think that u hav never visit pakistan . pir pagara is even biggest name in sindh even then the bhuttos in sindh and is forefathers were famous for thier struggle against britishes ,if u hav any any approch or source to contact him .u can verify from them that bhuttos are arain or not , i hav given u the names of famous politicians of bhuttos family who r also relitives of zulafqar ali bhutto , Asadullah Bhutto (ameer of jamiat islami sindh and member of arain association karachi ), Tauqeera Fatima Bhutto sahiba (mna,ppp,nawabshah), Nadeem Iqbal Bhutto (mpa,ppp,karachi ), get the ph no of these persons from web site of provincial assemble of sindh and from national assemble of pak , they will tell u the complete history of bhuttos completely ,now i hav given u proof of that bhuttos are arains i hav verified from above all and from others , i hope that now u will not bark against wrong tree.

BHUTTOS ARE RAJPUTS[edit]

Taken from the discussion page, relating to the Wikipedia article on the Arain tribe:

DISCONTINUE FROM PERSISTENTLY PROMOTING THE FALLACY THAT BHUTTOS ARE ARAINS.

It beggars belief that there are still those who persist with the entirely false claim that the Bhuttos are Arains (and at the very least, when this is such a point of contention, trying to pass off such fanciful claims as fact, is highly problematic); the following is being re-quoted from a previous discussion dealing with this issue:

“...Benazir Bhutto herself, categorically stated in her autobiography that she is descended from Rajputs, and her biographer and close friend, Shyam Bhatia went on record to state that Benazir took pride in her Rajput ancestry. Here, I’ll even reproduce the exact quote:

"But Pinky always took pride in her Rajput ancestry and said it was only during war that India and Pakistan hated each other. But in peace, they liked each other."

See: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/rssarticleshow/msid-3061556,prtpage-1.cms

"Two main Rajput tribes of Sind are: the Samma, a branch of the Yadav Rajputs who inhabit the eastern and lower Sind and Bahawalpur; and the Sumra who, according to the 1907 edition of the Gazetteer are a branch of the Parwar Rajputs. Among others are the Bhuttos, Bhattis, Lakha, Sahetas, Lohanas, Mohano, Dahars, Indhar, Chachar, Dhareja, Rathors, Dakhan, Langah etc."

http://ppiusindh.org/hyderabad-sindh-district-of-sindh-pakistan.html

"Bhutto: Perhaps the most famous of the Sindh Rajputs, they are a clan of the Bhatti Rajputs, and as such are Chandravanshi. They are found in Larkana District, in a cluster of villages such as Mirpur Bhutto and Salar Bhutto north of Larkana city."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_Rajputs

Refer also to the following article:

“The Bhutto clan is rajput, a word of Hindu origin, a hereditary warrior caste which dominates both Indian and Pakistani armies to this day.”

http://blai.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/30/1193585-shah-nawaz-the-legacy-of-the-bhuttos?groupId=84

www.globalsecurity.org also carries an article on the Bhutto tribe. The following extract, is taken from this article:

“The Bhutto family traces its migration from Jaiselmere in India to Sindh to Setho Khan Bhutto in the fifteenth century AD. The Bhutto family migrated to Sindh during the reign of Mughuls when Kalhoras were ruling in Sindh under the suzerainty of Mughul Emperors. They settled and established themselves in Taluka Ratodero, District Larkana and owned vast tracts of fertile land in the District of Larkana, Jacobabad and Shikarpur. Where rice, cotton and sugarcane was produced in plant. By some accounts the Bhutto family was the biggest and wealthiest landlord in Sindh and their style of living and conducting themselves was totally different from rest of their class in Sindh; they could face any situation any adversary and dignity, and unlike many other landlords they finally believed in pomp, pageantry, dignity and authority.”

“These Rajput converts probably became Muslims in the 18th century. Doda Khan Bhutto headed of the family during the Talpur Dynasty, and then during Charles Napier's rule of Sindh. Doda Khan Bhutto worked to acquire large tracts of land, and was responsible for the vast land ownership of the Bhutto family. By one account Doda Khan Bhutto was described by the British as "the best and most enterprising zamindar in the whole of sindh".

Finally, the renowned historian, Stanley Wolpert, also underlined the Rajput origins of the Bhutto tribe, in his biography of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, namely, Zulfi Bhutto of Pakistan:

Zulfi’s paternal ancestors had before his clan’s long trek been Hindu Rajputs...”

http://books.google.com/books?ei=EjQZTIPUMY_64AaJtJ3-Cw&ct=result&id=C-ltAAAAMAAJ&dq=zulfi+bhutto+of+pakistan&q=rajputs#search_anchor

“... and many Rajput warriors, like Zulfi’s progenitor, Sheto converted to Islam...”

http://books.google.com/books?ei=EjQZTIPUMY_64AaJtJ3-Cw&ct=result&id=C-ltAAAAMAAJ&dq=zulfi+bhutto+of+pakistan&q=rajput#search_ancho

Thus please stop regurgitating the same myths and half-truths that are continuously being peddled, and make a mockery of what is supposed to be an encyclopaedic entry. Gill Jat (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

What you need to do is source the content... I agree that Bhuttos are Rajputs from what I've begun to read, but the article needs WP:RELIABLE sources. Once the sources are added if there are IPs who continue to change Rajput to Arain ... I'll ask to have the article semi protected so that only registered users can edit ... that should cut down on the problem.(olive (talk) 22:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC))
You have one reliable source here per Wikipedia, and I've added it to the article. The next time Rajput is changed to Arain I'll ask for semi protection. Hopefully there won't be a next time.(olive (talk) 17:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC))

Hopefully, Olive! Gill Jat (talk) 00:30, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I’m adding the following quote from the Encyclopædia Britannica, no less:

"Born into a noble Rājpūt family that had accepted Islām, Bhutto was the son of a prominent political figure in the Indian colonial government."

See: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/64265/Zulfikar-Ali-Bhutto Gill Jat (talk) 00:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

From book on Zulfikar Ali Bhutto "Last Moments of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto(Bhutto kay akhri 323 din)"

"During the shave he had the following conversation with the Deputy Superintendent: “Deputy Sahib, where will you find a leader like me? But why would you need a leader like me in the first place? I am needed by the poor, not by the likes of you. I used to make speeches to mochis (cobblers) at Mochi Gate because I am a mochi myself."

According to book, Bhutton claimed he was a mochi....Mochis of Pakistan are historical convert of Chamar tribe of Indian subcontinent..Rest in peace for Rajput ancestry claims...Read the full book which is available online in urdu for more calrification. http://www.bhutto.org/last-moments.php Indiancj (talk) 18:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

The History of Bhatto to Bhutto[edit]

The history of Bhutto family starts from Sir. Shahnawaz Bhutto. Before the independence, he was the Dewan (minister) of Junagadh state. He with G. M. Sayed founded Sindh Peoples Party for the first time in the decade of 1940's. Besides he was the father of the 1st elected Prime Minister of Pakistan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who achieved the political recognition much after his father’s death.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was the founder of the Pakistan People's Party (PPP), which is one of the largest and most influential political parties of Pakistan. His daughter Benazir Bhutto has also served twice as prime minister of Pakistan.

Sir. Shahnawaz Bhuto was the first person in Sindh who called himself Bhutto. Actually Bhutto had never been a cast of Sindh before Sir Shanawaz Bhutto.

However, it is a fact that Bhutta is a cast of Punjab and same word Bhutta can be pronounced in Sindhi language as Bhutto. If it was true the question is this why did only one person Sir. Shahnawaz Bhutta became Bhutto? Why there was no any other Bhutto before him? It simply shows that formation of Bhutto even though is logical if it was driven from Bhutta but it is not true at all.

Very few people know about the true history of Bhutto. Even though Bhutto family themselves never preferred to put light on word “Bhutto” due to some political reasons. World know very well Sir. Shahnawaz Bhutto, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Ms. Benazir Bhutto. No one knows Khuda Bux the father of Sir Shanawaz Bhutto. Even though people know that the native village of Bhutto is Khuda Bux Bhutto, however, very few people know about Khuda Bux and his biography.

There was a small railway station of a town Bhatto Kalan in Tahseel Sirsa District Hasar India. Before partition same town Bhatto Kalan was situated in Province of Punjab, however, presently Bhatto Klan is in Haryana province of India. Bhatto Kalan is the native town of Bhutto family. Mr. Khuda Bux the grand-father of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was serving as a mechanic in Indian Railway. He had good connection with some British engineers. He requested them that I want to send my son to England so that would get higher education from there. Some British engineer who were impressed from the diligent work of Khuda Bux arranged to send his son Shanwaz to England for higher education. After getting higher education from England Shahnawaz went to Bomaby and then he joined to Nawab of Junagadh. There Shanwaz first time used his village name Bhatto with his name. In this way Shahnawaz called himself Shahnawaz Bhatto. Shahnawaz was a talented man soon after he won the favor of Nawab Junagadh. He was gifted an agricultural land in Larkana Sindh. Subsequently, Shahnawaz Bhatto migrated from India to Larkana. He gave name to his Jagir Garhi Khuda Bux. After partition of India a flux of migrated refugees came from India and they also settled in Sindh. Local Sindhis give them a name Panahgeer or Mohajir. Sir. Shanawaz Bhatto even though had been settled in Sindh before partition. However, the people who migrated from India to Pakistan were given a derogatory title Panahgeer in Sindh. Therefore, Sir Shanwaz Bhatto joined the link of Bhatto with Bhuta, one of the native cast of Pakistan. Zulfiqar Ali Bhatto initially used Bhatto and later on he changed spelling Bhatto to Bhutto just to make its link with Bhutta the native cast of Pakistan.

Today if you try to find history of Bhutto family you cannot go ahead of Sir. Shanwaz Bhutto. If Bhutto family were given a true back ground of word Bhutto then they would never use Sindh card in Politics. Therefore, they preferred to start their history from Sir. Shanwaz and totally forgotten the achievements of Khuda Bux, the poor but hard working mechanic of Indian Railway, who always dreamed a dream that his son get higher education from England. GRRE (talk) 02:16, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

GRRE (talk) 02:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.124.218 (talk) 17:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC) 

mergefrom Bhutto (tribe)[edit]

Some of Bhutto tribe was merged into this article, as this is the tribal article. 70.51.8.110 (talk) 07:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Recent addition[edit]

Please add references for huge amount of material added... or possibly material should be removed.(olive (talk) 17:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC))

Proposed move[edit]

I think that this article should be moved to Bhutto (clan), and that either a) Bhutto family should be moved to Bhutto, or b) Bhutto should become a dab page. Unschool (talk) 14:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

You can always move this to Bhutto (tribe), where a version of this article once was. (when there were three articles with material all mixed up). I would say a dab should be here. 70.51.8.75 (talk) 07:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose merge with Bhutto family[edit]

There was a tag proposing to merge into Bhutto family, but I opopose this (and remvoed the tag pending discussion here) because this is on an entire tag which seems larger than a famous family. RJFJR (talk) 13:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)