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A fact from Bibliotheca Palatina appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 July 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a portion of the Palatine Library returned to Heidelberg in 1816, almost two centuries after it was looted from city by the Catholic League?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/July.

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Query[edit]

"numbering approximately 5,000 printed books and 3,524 manuscripts" is this what is left, or pre-1622? Nice article! Johnbod 19:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing[edit]

The initial paragraph made it sound the library is in Heidelberg: it is a collection dispersed, with some at Heidelberg and the rest in the Vatican.

To say that "It was the first and most publicized act of booty in the Thirty Years' War" is excessive. Heidelberg was captured a few years into the war, there must have been other looting events before this. Also most publicized is a difficult thing to measure. Publicized where: in Protestant circles, in Italy, in Austria, in France? Publicized how? Books? sermons? I might just stick with "prominent". Also I could not find the term "act of booty", except in salacious mention. Booty is what you take, the act of taking in looting.

I assume they also wanted to carry away its history, perhaps even making it impossible to reconstruct in memory. meant to say that the Vatican wanted to remove symbols of provenance from the books. Although it seems many of the Vatican manuscripts still keep seals or signs revealing provenance.

Ultimately, part of it reads like a wish-list for restitution of a looted property. I think this is a complex topic, and not one which a Wikipedia article should take sides, if not should we take sides on returning Veronese's painting in the Louvre, some Spanish paintings found in the National Gallery, the Elgin Marbles, Priam's Treasure to Germany or perhaps to Turkey, or perhaps to Greece? I left those latter paragraphs untouched.Rococo1700 (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A source for "booty": "Whole collections were taken as booty on all sides and individual books were used as tokens of appeasement."Somej (talk) 05:38, 11 March 2018 (UTC) ^[1][reply]

reference[edit]

"Book plundering became a source of both Catholic and Protestant cultural triumph during the Thirty Year's War. Maximilian originally wanted to add the Bibiliotheca Palatina to his own library in Munich. Ferdinand II had his eyes on it as well, and he even sent counter-instructions to Tilly to keep it for his own collection in Vienna. ... After so much jostling, it was actually Pope Gregory XV who obtained the Bibiliotheca Palatina for the Vatican Library in 1623. He received it after persuading Maximilian that this offering would be a testament to his piety, especially after the pope's efforts to have Frederick's electoral title transferred to Maximilian."^[2] Somej (talk) 05:21, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bepler, J. "Vicissitudo Temporum: Some Sidelights on Book Collecting in the Thirty Years War". Sixteenth Century Journal. 32 (4). doi:10.2307/3648986.
^ Thomas, Andrew L. (2010). A House Divided: Wittelsbach Confessional Court Cultures in the Holy Roman Empire, C. 1550-1650. Brill. p. 297. ISBN 9004183566.

University of Heidelberg exhibit in 1986[edit]

In 1986, books were brought from the Vatican to Heidelberg and put on exhibition. A two volume hardback catalog of the exhibition was issued with photos and text. Here is an English auto-translate of the German description of the exhibition catalog:

Bibliotheca Palatina - Catalog to the exhibition 1986 In Heidelberg text and picture book 1986 Bibliotheca Palatina Catalog for the exhibition from July 8 to November 2, 1986 in Heidelberg Text volume and illustrated book (2 volumes)

The Heidelberg libraries were robbed in 1623 (during the Thirty Years War) and have since been owned by the Vatican Library. It was only in Rome that the spoils from the then Protestant Heidelberg got the name "Bibliotheca Palatina"

Exhibition of the University of Heidelberg In collaboration with the Bibliotheca Apostolica Vaticana. On behalf of the Rector magnificus Prof. dr. Gisbert Freiherr zu Putlitz, conducted by Elmar Mittler with the participation of Karl Heinrich Hall, Ronald M. Schmidt, Vera Trost, Markus Weis. Published 1986. Format approx. 21.5 x 29 cm, Hardcover, 552 and 328 pages with numerous illustrations. Language: German 2601:280:C480:7AB0:1D98:DCA3:5622:FB45 (talk) 20:20, 10 March 2018 (UTC) This talk-edit submitted by D. Needham.[reply]

[1] Bepler, J. "Vicissitudo Temporum: Some Sidelights on Book Collecting in the Thirty Years War". Sixteenth Century Journal. 32 (4). doi:10.2307/3648986.

[HouseDivided-2] Thomas, Andrew L. (2010). A House Divided: Wittelsbach Confessional Court Cultures in the Holy Roman Empire, C. 1550-1650. Brill. p. 297. ISBN 9004183566.

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