Talk:Black Lives Matter

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A timeline or list of killings protested[edit]

I propose creating a timeline of all the killings and protests, as a WP:SIZESPLIT from Black Lives Matter#Timeline of notable U.S. events and demonstrations. The timeline of BLM is extremely notable and comprehensive, just look at the RS. Let's not restrict ourselves to the BLM article. We have a plethora of photographs that we can use. wumbolo ^^^ 18:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2018[edit]

Hello, I would like to link the Blockorama page from the Pride Toronto Wikipedia to the section where this is described under Black Lives Matter Canada. Golde84 (talk) 19:55, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@Golde84: I'll happily do this, but could you be bit more clear in your proposed change? L293D ( • ) 13:32, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 Done JTP (talkcontribs) 03:04, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Ambiguity / Distortion of the BLM Movement[edit]

The BLM Wikipedia page explains the BLM from a fairly idealistic perspective. It looks at the movement and what it is intended to be, but I believe the article misses out on some of the realities of the movement. The article brings up some criticisms of the movement, but I think additional discussion is needed. Since the movement is without any true leadership and is adopted by many varying groups, the message of the movement can often times be distorted. The last paragraph from Movement for Black Lives statement about Israel has some discussion on this as it brings up how BLM is not monolithic. Many leaders and supporters are rationally and with well meaning advocating for justice for black lives, but many others are not. There are who join the protests just to vent frustration (not work towards a solution) and commit actions that are inappropriate. Additionally, some members of the movement miss out on the ideas of equality and justice the movement is founded on, and truly work from a mode of hate. Essentially the Wikipedia article should include information about the Ambiguity / Distortion of the BLM Movment because of people in the BLM movement who are not following the principles of the movement (which has caused the movement to be monolithic).

I believe this information is extremely important to add to the article because I think it may be what has lead to many people criticizing and opposing the movement. I think because the movement was not clearly defined it led to the creation of things like "All lives matter." If the movement was more clearly explained people may have not gotten misconceptions about it. For example from the Huffington post, "Don’t get me wrong, I believe there are many well-intended people within the Black Lives Matter movement. I also believe police brutality is a real problem. However, this isn’t something that only affects black people." may not have come about had it been clearly explained how the movement was highlighting the biases against black people. Adding this information not only helps to realistically explain the movement, but it may help to explain the production of criticisms. I think that discussion on this should probably be in the very beginning of the article and if needed continued explanation later.

Even though this is so important, I do not think I am qualified to edit the page about this. If anyone sees this and understands the importance feel free to take on this task yourself. — JohnNoDoeWik (talk) 01:09, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

This opinion piece from HP is interesting but has issues, like: "White people are also victims of police brutality, as are Hispanics, Asians, and every other race. I will avoid statistics and comparisons as to which group experiences it more. I don’t believe that will help anyone. The fact that it is even happening is enough." Those statistics and comparisons show that minorities and especially young black males are more likely to be killed in interactions with police, so why avoid them, unless it suits an agenda. Articles like this are just opinions and avoid hard data analysis. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 02:03, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Using statistics in support of BLM[edit]

The BLM page should construct a new section based off of statistical data pertaining to the mistreatment of people of color. Data from credible sources containing information on discriminatory laws as well as police brutality statistics should be listed to reinforce the severity of this issue by using fact and logic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 19:33, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

So, the encyclopedia neither supports nor opposes...any topic. We just describe what reliable secondary sources say about the topic. At the same time, given recent press attention to a study relating police violence to BLM protests, as well as other research and data projects, I could see starting a section called something like Research, giving a neutral description of research spawned by, dealing with or otherwise related to the movement. You could just go ahead start that if you like. Or, if you feel there are reliably sourced perspectives missing from existing sections of the entry, you can just go ahead and add them where you see fit. Innisfree987 (talk) 00:22, 15 June 2018 (UTC)