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Euxine Sea[edit]

I have seen in the Hypo Dictionary that the Euxine Sea is mearly the Sea of Azov and not the entire Black Sea. Can you please advise which is the correct version ? Thanks for much kind assistance. Michael Komissar email: komissar@komissar.co.il 12:34, 25 January 2004

Color pic of the B.S. region near Gagra, from 1915?[edit]

OK, that seems peculiar to me! Was the technology to make a color pic like this really available in 1915? Or is this an old pic that was recolored much later? Or is the date wrong? Shouldn't the encyclopedia mention that the color's not natural if it isn't? Songflower (talk) 23:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Mediterranean or not?[edit]

The Mediterranean article says that the Black Sea is not usually considered part of the Mediterranean, but that is all. Now, I am pretty sure there are some definitions in geography that can answer the question is the Black Sea part of the Med or not, but they are not mentioned anywhere in the article, or in this one. In any case, I was taught that the Black Sea IS part of the Mediterranean. So where lies the truth?--Mátyás (talk) 12:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not. It is separate sea (not part of it). However, both are part of the Atlantic Ocean. Diyan.boyanov (talk) 11:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
"However, both are part of the Atlantic Ocean." Are you sure about that? While it's true you can sail from Georgia to Georgia, the International Hydrographic Organization's Limits of Oceans and Seas states that the Atlantic stops at Gibraltar.209.179.21.14 (talk) 01:12, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

The Black Sea is a sea by itself and NOT a part of any other sea or Ocean. For the same reason the Mediterranean Sea is NOT considered part of the Atlantic Ocean, actually, it is quite funny (if not utterly rediculous) for anyone to make such a claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.94.91 (talk) 16:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Shipping[edit]

Would someone be able to add some information about shipping in the Black sea? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.46.217 (talk) 21:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Compass[edit]

The sentence "The reason for this color term may be an ancient assignment of colors to the direction of the compass" is enigmatic because the compass was unknown at that time. Could it be rephrased? Ceinturion (talk) 07:30, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I changed 'direction of the compass' to 'cardinal directions'. Ceinturion (talk) 23:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Fish[edit]

Desperately need a section on fish! It contributes to the unique kitchen of the region. How can this article not mention anything about Hamsi, Kalkan, Uskumru, Palamut, and Flying Fish (sorry, I only know the Turkish names). I am hungry already! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.168.53 (talk) 05:40, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Well "hamsi" are anchovies but I suspect some of the others have no common English names. Suggest you just start writing the section but generalise it as e.g. "marine life". I see there is a bit in the Turkish wikipedia (I have no idea what a "pig fish" is!) you could translate and add here to get things started. Then others could come in and improve it. Jzlcdh (talk) 21:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Inland sea[edit]

The opener currently describes the Black Sea as an inland sea. I don't see how it can be considered such if (as is mentioned later) it is connected to the open ocean by straits. Inland seas (such as the Caspian, Australia's lake Eyre, Great Salt Lake) are not connected to the open ocean.Ordinary Person (talk) 04:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Have you read the article Inland sea? This gives examples of several seas that are connected to the oceans. I'm not certain of the true definition, but I suspect that this other article is correct. Bazonka (talk) 08:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
The inland sea article is a bit of a dogfight. Although an increase in sea level can cause new inland seas to form, so could lowering sea levels (e.g. a lowering sea level would result in the Mediterranean Sea and Persian Gulf becoming an inland seas again. That article only mentions two existing bodies that it identifies clearly as inland seas: the Baltic and the Caspian (though it does mention the Black is a contender for largest body of brackish water.)
The IHO does not appear to have a definition for it, so perhaps it is not a technical term at all. I'll be hornswaggled if I can understand why the Baltic would be regarded as an inland sea if the Mediterranean isn't. (scratches head)Ordinary Person (talk) 14:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I guess it's a matter of definition: THE Inland Sea has 4 connections to larger seas! If inland sea is defined as "a body of salt water not connected to the open ocean", then what is the difference between an inland sea and a salt lake? Preslav (talk) 15:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Tides[edit]

I assume there are tides? How might the size and configuration of the sea affect those? Abductive (reasoning) 17:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about elsewhere but there are no significant tides here in Samsun. Jzlcdh (talk) 20:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Tides are almost unnoticeable in Albena, a Black Sea resort.

Tides exists because of the moon gravitation -- it "pulls" the water towards it, which creates "high-tide" in the region closer to the moon. Check out this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide. Larger seas are affected more, because more water is being "pulled". So, imagine the moon is above the Atlantic. Huge volume of water is being "pulled". When this "pulled" water reaches the shore, it "climbs" on the beach. So... the smaller the sea, the smaller the tides (generally; i guess topography is another factor). Diyan.boyanov (talk) 11:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

For example, there are no significant tides in the Mediterrannean (~20 cm AFAIK), you can't really see them if you aren't aware. I assume the tide size must be lesser in the Black Sea. 80.82.235.62 (talk) A newbie ;) — Preceding undated comment added 16:24, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Near Romanian coast[edit]

I don't understand why those pictures of aquatic flora&fauna are all named "<name>, near Romanian coast". The same species can be found anywhere else in the sea. I mean, what if every single picture contains info about where it was taken?! Diyan.boyanov (talk) 11:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

You're right - I've been bold and removed those words ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 11:15, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Here's a new article that might be useful:

  • Karatay, Osman (in press). "On the origins of the name for the ‘Black Sea’". Journal of Historical Geography. doi:10.1016/j.jhg.2010.08.018.  Check date values in: |date= (help)

rʨanaɢ (talk) 19:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Residence time[edit]

According to This book, the residence time for water in the Black sea ranges from about 4.8 to 625 years, depending on depth. I thought I read about that here once before. I like to saw logs! (talk) 08:42, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

European bias?[edit]

The Black sea is also connected to the Indian Ocean via the Suez canal and the red sea. It is more closer that way. 152.14.125.72 (talk) 01:49, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure about this, or you're just testing to see who's going to protest about you being intoxicated when you wrote all this nonsense!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.94.91 (talk) 17:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Svetovid related etimology[edit]

I have found a new theory about the Black sea name. See Svetovid, the appearance section. Maybe is it worth mentioning on this page as well? Valugi (talk) 21:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

In this article on Black Sea, countries around the Sea are mentioned alphabetically. It would be more useful if they were mentioned geographically in clockwise or anti-clockwise sequence.

As this is Geographical article, political correctness should not be factor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.8.16 (talk) 16:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Hydrochemistry[edit]

This paragraph:

Modelling shows the release of the hydrogen sulphide clouds in the event of an asteroid impact into the Black Sea would pose a threat to health—or even life—for people living on the Black Sea coast.[25]

is rather lost. It needs some introduction about the conditions that lead up to this consequence. Is it because of the underlying rock? Dissolved gases in lower layers of the water? Something else? Without this it's just a random observation about a very rare event and there's nothing to indicate that it's a peculiarity of the Black Sea and wouldn't happen if an asteroid fell into some other body of water.

Pstemari (talk) 16:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

When I read this in the article I came to comment on it. I can't believe it's even there, It's just ridiculous. It should go without saying that a sizable meteorite impact "would pose a threat to health—or even life—for people living" where ever it might happen. 209.179.21.14 (talk) 22:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Its not ridiculous, but needs expansion and explanation. The missing info is that there is significant H2S in the deep waters. From an abstract: "Since the hydrogen sulphide (H2S) zone was discovered in the early 19th century in the Black Sea...".
The H2S article has nothing about this either. A paragraph here should explain the occurance data before mentioning the impact hypothesis.73.81.148.202 (talk) 01:18, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Coordinates[edit]

Currently 44°N 35°E is given as coordinates, while the geographic centre is located at 43° 17′ 49″ N, 34° 1′ 46″ E; or 43.296944, 34.029444 in decimal degrees. I suggest to adjust this or at least mention it. Link : https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?language=en&pagename=%D0%A7%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5&params=43_17_49_N_34_1_46_E_scale:5000000_type:waterbody

There is no need for this. See WP:OPCOORD. Bazonka (talk) 19:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Use of a politically biased map[edit]

The map inserted on the top right side of the main page is mistakenly displaying the country officially known as F.Y.R.O.M. (Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia) as "Macedonia". However, this name is not officially accepted, because it is seriously disputed by the neighboring Republic of Greece on the basis of Historical, Cultural and Geo-Political reasons. Until this dispute is settled the proper name should be used. All international organizations (United Nations Organization, North Atlantic Treaty Organization, European Union, etc.) have adopted the acronym F.Y.R.O.M. for official use and certainly NOT just plain "Macedonia". The Greek Republic is very serious about that and wikipedia should abide with international law or risk finding itself at the wrong end of the judicial stick. Please remove this map and replace it with one that shows the proper name of this country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.94.91 (talk) 17:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

See WP:FYROM. Wikipedia policy is to refer to the country as just Macedonia where there is no ambiguity. If you disagree with this, then the best place to discuss it would be Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Macedonia), although you aren't likely to change anything. Also please note Wikipedia:No legal threats. Bazonka (talk) 21:41, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

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