Talk:Black drink

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Cleanup[edit]

A point: The article Cherokee black drink should probably be merged with this one. TriNotch 15:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

And some of the rhetoric toned down. Cassine, or Ilex vomitoria, doesn't even induce vomiting, let alone "convulsions and death". The sources I've read indicate that the vomiting that generally followed the ceremonial consumption of the black drink was probably a learned behavior. -- Donald Albury (Dalbury)(Talk) 17:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
You are entirely correct. Hudson's book is the definitive resource on the subject. Chemically it should only induce vomiting if consumed in prodigious quantities while quite hot- just as coffee or tea. The vomiting witnessed historically is presumably either due to that or to deliberate effort. I have performed the merge, removed the rhetoric, added references, and performed some edits. More information should still be added, however. TriNotch 22:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

B-class-Unbalanced Content[edit]

Needs a lot more on prehistoric use and more on non-Cherokee use at least. ---- User:TriNotch

Rewrite[edit]

I've just done a complete re-write with new images, inline citations, expansion, pre-historic background. Any thoughts or additions are welcome.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 22:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

    • I moved the yaupon holly image further down, I think it works alot better there, it doesn't push the text down and leave alot of white space everywhere, which was my only reason for putting it above the TOC box. Cuchullain, thanks for helping with this and cathing my typos the other day, seems like how many times I look over it myself, I always miss a few. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 18:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem. You've done some excellent work around here, and our coverage of Native American topics is the better for it.--Cúchullain t/c 23:45, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, just doin' my part! Heironymous Rowe (talk) 00:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

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Cultural and Safety Concerns[edit]

I've been speaking with Elders and ethnobotanists from some of the Nations mentioned in this article and they are concerned at the misinformation here, along with the issues of indigenous intellectual property and cultural protection. Some of the details in the books used for this are simply wrong. I'm attempting some cleanup, and this is why. - CorbieV 22:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

This attempt to foist the logical fallacy of social justice politics on online native american studies has been thwarted. If you had read the legal disclaimer you would know that WIKI is not liable for information on the site, your primary error. There is no legal incentive that can influence the situation. Further, I affirm as a member of the Cherokee tribe, of the Beavers family, that the information herein is accurate, and correct to record. Your appeal to what you perceive is the authority, and your opinion on the social politics of online native drink recipes, has no bearing on the matter being discussed. Save it for your feminist blog, not Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.214.186 (talk) 14:06, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Citations are required. Claiming tribal membership does not automatically confer expertise, however; please consider reading Wikipedia:There is no credential policy. This article is such that the more cultural engaged some one is, the less likely they would be willing to share sensitively information in a public forum. Blogs are inadequate sources. Yuchitown (talk) 16:44, 16 March 2017 (UTC)Yuchitown