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White pepper redirect[edit]

White pepper currently points to an album, not the spice, which seems rather bizarre. I've suggested changing this on Talk:White Pepper, please comment. Jpatokal (talk) 10:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't hurt to add that white pepper is used as a substitute for black pepper for people who cannot tolerate the burn. It's significantly milder, but has the same flavor & smell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.134.7 (talk) 06:42, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

White pepper is also used in dishes whose visual impact would be changed by the inclusion of black pepper flecks. --StarChaser Tyger (talk) 14:23, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

BC vs BCE[edit]

WP:MOS says "No preference is given to either style", "be consistent within the same article", and "do not change from one style to another unless there is substantial reason for the change, and consensus for the change with other editors." Version 427327099 says "It is possible that black pepper was known in China in the 2nd century BC," and uses BCE for all other instances. Revision 428808050 changes BCE to B.C., a step toward consistency within the article, and hence justified under MOS guideline. However, it did not quite get consistency because there were still B.C. with periods and BC without. I'm changing to all BCE, achieving full consistency with minimal change from the original version. --Dan Wylie-Sears 2 (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

To consider for inclusion[edit]

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Black pepper

Unripe drupes of black pepper (Piper nigrum) at Trivandrum, Kerala, India. The drupes are cooked briefly in hot water. The heat ruptures cell walls in the pepper, speeding the work of browning enzymes during drying. The drupes are dried for several days, during which the pepper around the seed shrinks and darkens into a thin, wrinkled black layer. Once dried, the spice is called black peppercorn.

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Moving some general stuff to a new "Pepper (food)" article[edit]

I'm thinking that some of the stuff that's generally about peppers, i.e. not about this particular kind of pepper, should be moved out to a more general article. I'll probably do this tonight or sometime this week, but I figured I'd put some discussion here. Let me know if you think that's a good or bad idea or whatever. --MarkTraceur (talk) 18:01, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Language Translations[edit]

"In Hindi, it is called "kaali mirch" (black chilli/pepper), "kuru mulagu" (seed chilli/pepper) and "nalla mulagu" (good chilli/pepper) and in Malayalam and Tulu, it is called "edde munchi" (good chilli/pepper).[citation needed]"

Removed the above sentence from the Etymology section, it doesn't make sense to have all the different translations of 'Pepper' in 7000+ languages of the world. If someone has a reasonable explanation to add the above sentence back to the Etymology; kindly discuss here. The Ajan (talk) 18:33, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

"As medicine" section[edit]

There appears to be some unreferenced fact-claims in this section. The one that stands out for me is: "[Pepper] increases the serotonin and beta-endorphin production in the brain". Where is this from? Is there no citation? I think it should be removed if no reference is provided.

Agreed. I've removed it. If anyone can find a good source for this, please feel free to revert and cite. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:10, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Indian Medicine[edit]

So other sources suggest that it is actually long pepper and not black pepper that is the virtual panacea of traditional Indian medicine: such as this one https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nbp1AZvwowC&pg=PA222-IA89&lpg=PA222-IA89&dq=black+pepper+indian+panacea&source=bl&ots=onf3KxlNpM&sig=zr_q-XN2BA0pLxYTWF9kwryr1-A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcgJqjsbvJAhUW_mMKHZMTBFIQ6AEINTAE#v=onepage&q=black%20pepper%20indian%20panacea&f=false I am not sure how to validate the quality of either claim, particularly as the point in question is that of folk medicine, based on google results I think that long pepper may actually be correct and black pepper a westernization, just on the type of pseudo-science sites that get brought up, but not sure what counts as 'reliable' here, probably just take it down? Falconjh (talk) 19:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes - I'm concerned the current (new) wording also makes it seem a real treatment is being described. Alexbrn (talk) 19:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Checking more, in terms of history, long pepper was provably the more medicinally valued spice (regardless of its actual effectiveness), and the western world has forever confused the two spices (which is already mentioned); so as far as I can determine this is a continuation of that confusion. As it is already mentioned, it isn't notable enough to mention its continued usages. Falconjh (talk) 19:58, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

History[edit]

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What's the Problem ?

I added this statements.

South Indian communities were amazed by Roman demand for Pepper and even referred Pepper as "Yavanapriyas" which means 'Passion of Yavanas',(Greeks and Romans are known as 'Yavanas' in both Tamil & Sanskrit).
Source 1
Source 2
an ancient Tamil Poet wrote:
the thriving town of Muchiri where the beautiful great ships of the Yavanas bringing gold,come splashing the white foam on waters

of the Periyar and return ladden with the Pepper

Source 3
If u had any Problem why cant u correct it.What is meant by poor quote?

Chan144 (talk) 18:58, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

The quotes add nothing of benefit to our understanding of the subject of the article. Theroadislong (talk) 19:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Previous statements in article mentions Pliny description of Roman empires trade with india,on how roman empire imports pepper from india,cost of pepper etc. The Statements added by me purely indicates romans interest for pepper,on why Pepper is named after Romans,from where(Coastal Port) they had imported, description of Roman trade by indian poet. If Pliny's description of trade with india complains about trade,above statements explain roman interest for Pepper import. I hope u got it now.Chan144 (talk) 05:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't understand what you are saying. Theroadislong (talk) 10:37, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Direct quotes from Black Pepper article History Section -> Ancient times

With ships sailing directly to the Malabar coast, black pepper was now travelling a shorter trade route than long pepper, and the prices reflected it. Pliny the Elder's Natural History tells us the prices in Rome around 77 CE: "Long pepper ... is fifteen denarii per pound, while that of white pepper is seven, and of black, four." Pliny also complains "there is no year in which India does not drain the Roman Empire of fifty million sesterces," and further moralizes on pepper:
It is quite surprising that the use of pepper has come so much into fashion, seeing that in other substances which we use, it is sometimes their sweetness, and sometimes their appearance that has attracted our notice; whereas, pepper has nothing in it that can plead as a recommendation to either fruit or berry, its only desirable quality being a certain pungency; and yet it is for this that we import it all the way from India! Who was the first to make trial of it as an article of food? and who, I wonder, was the man that was not content to prepare himself by hunger only for the satisfying of a greedy appetite.

did you get it ? No. ohh,this article is about black pepper,but history section explicitly talks about trade between Roman empire & India. Chan144 (talk) 13:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

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Unsourced "origin" regions[edit]

Move from the article because the content 1) does not discuss true geographic origins, 2) is unsourced, and 3) has a tendency to attract parochial input. --Zefr (talk) 03:29, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Peppercorns are often categorized by their place of origin.

Two types come from the coast of Kerala in India. A well-variety Tellicherry comes from grafted Malabar plants grown on Mount Tellicherry.

Sarawak pepper is native to the Malaysian portion of Borneo.

Muntok white pepper come from Bangka Island, Bangka Belitung Islands Province and Lampung black pepper from Lampung Province, South Sumatera, Indonesia.

Vietnam produces both white and black pepper in Bà Rịa–Vũng Tàu Province, Chu Se District, Bình Phước Province, and Phú Quốc Island in Kiên Giang Province.

Kampot pepper is native to Kampot, Cambodia, and received Geographical indication status in 2008. This pepper is grown in a limited geographical region in four varieties: black, green, red, and white.