Talk:Bloody Sunday (1972)

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New Evidence With Considerable Impact Released[edit]

New evidence released, relating to the event, which challenges the neutrality of the article and places the recent Saville enquiry into some doubt.[1] If I have time I will edit the article for inclusion, anyone else in the meantime is welcome to include details, regards.Twobells (talk) 12:18, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

You mean "The British Army's first confidential report... Written hours after 13 civilians were shot dead in Derry in 1972"? That's not "new" by any stretch of the imagination. It is an old self-serving fabrication subsequently proved to be almost totally false. Nick Cooper (talk) 15:48, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Still, pushing your agenda instead of neutral, balanced fact I see. Do you ever actually read the source material or just put on your rose-coloured glasses and proceed to pontificate on Wikipedia? No wonder people mock the encyclopedia. No-one has ever seen this report before and the source requires inclusion to ensure balance and neutrality. Twobells (talk) 17:25, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I suspect I have read more on the event than you ever have (I was certainly editing this page long before you turned up). Effectively all that has happened is that someone has turned up the Army's first draft of the line they managed to get past Widgery, but which has been totally discredited since. Nick Cooper (talk) 13:25, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Beattie, Jilly (1 March 2016). "Bloody Sunday exposed: First confidential British Army report "fully justified" deaths and injuries". Belfast Live. Retrieved 1 March 2016. 

More political bias.[edit]

Surprise surprise, my criticism of the political and historical bias in this article has been removed and I was "logged out" of Wikipedia. Clearly this article is being controlled by a biased moderator with a political skew or agenda.

If you cannot even debate in Talk an article, and discuss its overall historically accuracy and key facts, then Wikipedia cannot be taken seriously as an historical or academic reference source (as indeed it's not by most leading academic universities, certainly not by mine anyway, we're discouraged from referencing to it). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.26.204 (talk) 13:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk pages are for discussing improvements to articles and for nothing else. You presented a number of critisisms and 'facts' but you failed to provide a reliable source for any of it. The current article, on the other hand, is well referenced, though it can always be improved. 86.149.141.166 (talk) 14:27, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
What the IP address beginning with 86 said, IP address beginning with 89. Furthermore, nobody logged you out, you weren't logged in when you made your contribution of unverified "facts" and opinion, and still weren't logged in when you commented above. If there are any inaccuracies in the article, feel free to challenge or improve the sources. I do recommend creating an account and reading the five pillars, though. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

"The dead"[edit]

This section title sounds weird to me. How about "Deaths" or "Casualties"?

Otherwise it sounds like the Walking Dead... 100.12.87.210 (talk) 13:17, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Nuro Dragonfly Do you wish to comment here? 100.12.87.210 (talk) 13:50, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Support change to "Casualties" for consistency across the wiki. ScrpIronIV 15:06, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - To be honest I feel it is..well not weird so much, but has a tone that's morbid. We are trying to have that Neutral stance, and considering the topic....
Nürö G'DÄŸ MÄTË 00:13, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Support change to casualties. Mabuska (talk) 19:08, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Impact on Northern Ireland divisions section title[edit]

Would anyone object to this being renamed? Traditionally, the word "divide" in relation to Northern Ireland would refer to the division between Catholics and Protestants. While it is true Bloody Sunday would have had some impact on that relationship it was primarily the relationship between the Catholic population and the British Army, and to a lesser extent the British establishment as a whole. Perhaps a change to "Impact on the Troubles" or "Impact on Northern Ireland" would be more appropriate?DanceHallCrasher (talk) 18:34, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the late interjection but I oppose your recent edit. Its affect continues to the present day so isn't confined to the Troubles so that is a poor title. Its impact is more in regards to the divide not the country as a whole as not everyone is seperated by the divide. Mabuska (talk) 19:12, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
"Northern Ireland divisions" is an equally, if not more, poor title.DanceHallCrasher (talk) 19:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
As stated I disagree. Mabuska (talk) 11:20, 24 August 2016 (UTC)