Talk:Blue Army of Our Lady of Fátima

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What is it?[edit]

Could someone rewrite the first paragraph to say in generic terms what the army is? "A public international association" is not enough. Is it a monastery, a sect, a club, a church, a committee, a religion, an army, or something else? Is it existing now or is it historical? If it's only an "association," why is it called an "army"? --Editing 15:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


Who is "Our Lady"?[edit]

The article speaks about "Our Lady of Fatima," "Our Lady," and "the Virgin Mary." Are these the same people? If this church is dedicated to Fatima, why would Fr. Colgan pray to the Virgin Mary? This needs some clarification. --Editing 15:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Marianists believe all apparitions of Mary are the same person, specifically, they believe they are a supernatural event where Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ speaks to some visionary. All the "Our Ladies" are Mary but some are different aspects of her personality or have different messages to send. It would be difficult to define them in terms that non-Catholics would understand or even Catholics without an understanding off the whole Marian apparition movement would understand. Briefly, Marianists believe that they can and should pray to the Virgin Mary. That's a can of worms right there I know, so I won't try and explain it. Let's just say that this group falls under the category of Catholic Apocalypticism.
The description as it stands in the article now is pretty much just what they say about themselves without going into any of the many controversies surrounding their support of non-Church sanctioned Marian apparitions, their involvement in the whole Sede-Vacantist debate, their efforts to restore the Latin Tridentine Mass and mandatory head-coverings for women entering churches, their opposition to the Vatican II reforms and to the taking of Communion in the hand as well as other such issues. For example, The Blue Army was heavily involved in the whole Little Audrey Santo controversy as well. I grew up in and around the Blue Army during their support for Veronica Lueken, the so-called "Seer of Bayside", who was eventually excommunicated. They still march in support of her visions once a year at an unusual devotional parade at the old Worlds Fair Fairgrounds in Queens because the Church succeeded in booting them away from the Church grounds where they used to hold such devotions.
The best I can offer is to try and find some Google Book references that discuss these controversial aspects of the group and add a new section trying to briefly explain it, using the cited references I find. When it comes to matters of religious belief in prophecy and apparitions, it's often difficult handle such complex issues in a wikipedia article. If you really want to know more about these controversies, just google the term "Blue Army" and any of the above mentioned terms as well as " End of the World Prophecies". What comes up will keep you busy for months. LiPollis (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Source of stats?[edit]

Can someone tell me where the numbers of members cited in this article come from? Thank you.Kadugan (talk) 20:26, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually the above commentary is not quite correct...catholics do not "pray" to mary (usually this is said by noncatholics who don't have a clear understanding)...we ask her to pray for us..just as you would ask a friend to do....nice to have the Mother of God to pray for you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.131.10.195 (talk) 23:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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