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Good article Blue Harvest has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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October 16, 2007 Peer review Reviewed
December 2, 2009 Good article nominee Listed
December 17, 2009 Good article nominee Not listed
Current status: Good article

Additional cameos in Blue Harvest[edit]

The Evil Monkey also makes an appearance in the cantina, at the table behind Bender

GA1[edit]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Checklist[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    I don't have a great eye for prose, but this article seems find in that regard.
    B. MoS compliance:
    Consistently puts information in parenthesis, when information, such as the identities of the characters, should be stated in the sentence rather than tacked on.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    Lacks references for a part of the first section.
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    Same as above.
    C. No original research:
    Seems fine.
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    Reception section is sorely lacking; in the span of five minutes, I found two sources that establish the success of the DVDs, so I doubt that it cannot be expanded. And I don't buy the argument that all Family Guy articles have about this much reception or less; it's one of the only FG episode articles that has been released on DVD or is more than 30 minutes long.
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    Lead image does not provide Alternate text.
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    On hold for a week. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

As there has been little activity and the week deadline has came and went, I am failing this article. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  1. I'm not the reviewing type, but I've found many glaring flaws. First off, the entire plot summary is unsourced. What can you do to assure me that this isn't just a fan write-up and entirely made up?
Plot dose not need to be sourced as it is an episode.--Pedro J. the rookie 23:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Where is this stated? At the very least, one must cite the episode, or citing a quote from the episode. People shouldn't have to watch the episode to be able to verify the truth of the Plot section. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm not the nominator taking care of this article, but I would like to note that Pedro is correct. WP:TVMOS#Plot_section specifically states that "Plot summaries do not normally require citations; the television show itself is the source, as the accuracy of the plot description can be verified by watching the episode in question." For example, if you would look at every The Simpsons FA or GA (i.e., Homer at Bat, A Streetcar Named Marge, Bart Gets an F, etc.) you'll see plot summaries are left un-sourced because it is unnecessary to do so. The information in it is simply supported by the episode itself and it would be redundant to cite it. Just stepping in on this as I've noticed GA reviewers are commenting on this in their reviews for ep. articles when the policy states it's okay. :) The Flash {talk} 02:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. The lead is very messy. It should be combined into one or two paragraphs and not have a single line paragraph.
Done--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. References should not be included in the lead, due to the fact that the lead is to summarize things later said in the article. Logically, as long as the lead doesn't cover content that isn't in the rest of the article, the references should be reused anyway.
It should'nt but there are no rules about one or two refrences--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, the fact that references shouldn't be in the lead does indeed stand as a rule not to include them in the lead. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. The second fair use image could use stronger rationale [since it could be reused for many images since any image could "illustrate the accompanying text"] or replacing with a screenshot of the show.
Took of--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. There has to be more reception than that? Is there nothing covering the sales of the DVD? And I'm sure there are more reviewers who have covered this song.
DO not think so this is the normal recep for episodes.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, this was also an hour-long episode and a standalone DVD release, and is significantly more famous than other episodes. There's bound to be something. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. Character list is unnecessary; it's an in-universe list of characters to say "okay fans, this character plays this character" that is of no relevance to people who are not informed to the subject.
DONe--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. The references to minor jokes could be trimmed down a ton. One of the first things I read after the first paragraph is the joke that you see in the beginning of the Star Wars spoof. I would suggest making a separate section to cover its references to popular culture, but also not mentioning every single little reference. The jokes are gone into excessive detail, explaining exactly how Luke is feeling at the moment when John Williams died.
  2. Another problem is that parenthesis are used far too often. It can certainly be avoided with the compromise of saying "On the ship are the droids C-3PO and R2-D2, who are portrayed by Family Guy characters Quagmire and Cleveland respectively." That's the best way to actually do it, as the way it's done now assumes the readers know what a Quagmire is. Parenthesis are often used to explain the joke that happens too, making a reasonable plot sentence go into a joke.
Not needed as like on a movie or special you need to now whos who and that works.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but in a film summary, one would list the actor who portrays the character, not the character. Listing the character as if they were an actor is very in-universe and is only important to Family Guy fans who want to learn who is who. This is acceptable, but keep it in the prose. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. The "only actor whose career wasn't destroyed by this movie" line is really unnecessary, and is confusing to those who don't get the joke.
  2. The argument about Robot Chicken, like almost every joke, goes into unnecessary detail.
Done--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not done; the paragraph has not been fixed at all, and I don't believe you've actually edited the paragraph. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. Who is Helen Reddy? I honestly have no idea who she is, and one mustn't assume that people will.
There is no need to tell who she is as she is a guest.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps, but then why do we explain who every other guest star is besides her? I still have no idea who she is, and it presupposes that the reader understands this person and why she's so important to give mention to. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. Looking back at the lead, it does in fact have content that should be in the actual body of the article, such as the meaning of the title.
Done--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not done; there is still content that is only mentioned in the lead. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  1. Plenty of unsourced content strewn throughout the DVD section.
DOne--Pedro J. the rookie 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not done; there are still many unsourced statements in the section. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not reviewing it, but if I was, I'd certainly quick fail it. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 17:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, apparently, two users are insisting on content being outright removed from the article because the information is unsourced, even though some of it is clearly sourceable [ie, one passage removed said an "interview with Seth McFarlane by IGN]. So at that point, I couldn't pass it by knowing that the article is incomplete. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


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The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Why no 'Cultural References' section?[edit]

Just about every other FG episode article has one, and Blue Harvest has plenty of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.143.66 (talk) 22:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 2009[edit]

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The result of the move request was consensus against move — ækTalk 08:15, 26 December 2009 (UTC)



Blue Harvest (Family Guy)Blue Harvest — The DVD and special are both exceptionally popular, and if you asked the average person on the street what it means, they'll say "it's that Family Guy thing, right?" Keeping the actual Star Wars subject at Blue Harvest is clearly for the sake of fans only, as you actually have to have researched the subject or read about it three decades ago to have any understanding about it. --The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:28, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment how about just turning "Blue Harvest" into a dab page? 76.66.194.220 (talk) 05:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Exceptionally popular in this present decade. Admittedly WP:CRYSTAL, but as a general rule the first notable instance of something is considered the most notable instance of something. For example, the 1939 film of The Wizard of Oz is today more famous than the book, but the book still "has dibs" on the title. (However, since in this case the book is called The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, The Wizard of Oz is a disambiguation page.) — The Man in Question (in question) 21:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
    • Those are poor comparisons. The Wizard of Oz is a famous book and movie; Blue Harvest is a famous special [maybe not famous, but whatever]. It is not famous for being a fake name, and is only of interest to the hardcoriest of Star Wars fans. Tell me - even if Blue Harvest as a Family Guy special is only important for this decade, what does it matter since Blue Harvest as a fake name was never even remotely close to its fame? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. While I agree with you regarding the popularity of the Family Guy's Blue Harvest I would argue that the spirit of The Man in Question's comment still rings true. Since Blue Harvest was the working title of Return (or Revenge) of the Jedi there is meaning. If the working title had been different then Family Guy would more than likely not have named themselves Blue Harvest. Family Guy's Blue Harvest title therefore derives its meaning and origin from Blue Harvest making Blue Harvest significant. Similarly The Wizard of Oz derives its origin from the book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz therefore its article title is given preference. The Nominator even states in his arguement that Blue Harvest is most commonly connected with Family Guy, therefore keeping the title as it is now makes sense. Snump (talk) 01:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
    • I don't think being the inspiration makes it equally known; If the creators weren't Star Wars fans, it would be somewhat noteworthy, but it's Star Wars fans making a Star Wars reference. And if it were most commonly connected to Family Guy, wouldn't that mean that adding such a disambig considering the circumstances would be redundant since it's obvious to most people that it's Family Guy without saying it in the title. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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Do they plan to make episodes on the Prequel Trilogy or the SWHS[edit]

Well, will they do the other starwars films —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.81.74 (talk) 08:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

New DVD/Blu-ray cover[edit]

I came across a cover of the episode on Blu-ray which I think would be better for the image in the Infobox. (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Family-Guy-Blue-Harvest/17036) I can add this if there are no objections, obviously replacing the poster. Thoughts? — WylieCoyote 00:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

GA2[edit]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Ruby2010 (talk · contribs) 02:42, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Great episode. I will review soon. Ruby 2010/2013 02:42, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Comments[edit]

  • There are some link issues
  • I'm not sure how long the episode was (perhaps add the length to the infobox), but the plot summary is too lengthy. For instance, is it really necessary to include C-3PO getting high off the marijuana R2-D2 had given him earlier?
  • "Peter decides to retell the story of A New Hope" -> Peter decides to retell the story of Star Wars: A New Hope
  • Are you sure Moving Picture Experts Group is the right link for MPEG?
  • "The Rebel fighters attack the Death Star, but, they suffer heavy losses during the assault" - improper use of comma
  • The production section needs a copy edit. See for example, "Family Guy creator Seth MacFarlane explains that the reason they made a complete parody out Star Wars in particular was because everyone in their staff loved the films and were excited to do this project. Another reason Star Wars was chosen, was because Lucasfilm allowed them to create it." I suggest you carefully go through it again or get someone from the GOCE to go through it
  • "The episode was written by Alec Sulkin, who has been with the show since the fourth season. It was directed by series veteran Dominic Polcino, who has been directing for the series since its first season." - much of this infromation is not covered in the source
  • "MacFarlane stated that while they thought of doing an Indiana Jones or a Wrath of Khan parody, they could not, because they would not get permission from owners of those properties (in this case Paramount Pictures) " - this isn't really true. Rather, MacFarlane says, "I can't imagine in a billion years that Paramount would give us permission." It would be better if you said that MacFarlane assumed they would be unable to gain permission
  • There's more you can pull from that interview, such as the part about Stewie not looking like Darth Vader
  • Beware of overlinking
  • "Blue Harvest" contains many references to the popular culture. The episode contains a lot of Star Wars related references - redundant. Try: "Blue Harvest" contains many references to popular culture, particularly to the first Star Wars film, or something similar
  • When Peter is about to being - begin?
  • the film Gia(which Jolie acted in) - space needed
  • Some helpful links that could help improve article - [1] [2][3]

I stopped in the cultural references section, which also needs a lot of work. I was thinking about failing this on account of its poor prose, but I'll place it on hold if you feel you can improve it within a week's time. I'll complete the review after you've responded here. Thanks. Ruby 2010/2013 19:12, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

More comments
  • Archive footage of Leslie Nielsen's role in the movie Airplane! was used to voice Nielsen's character, who makes a short appearance in the episode. - source? I would probably just delete it, since you mention in the cultural refs section anyway
Removed.
  • the "liberal galactic media is saying that they are saying that the planet Hoth is melting - is that really what he said? he says "saying" twice?
Fixed.
  • "ribald but often hilarious satire of fantasy favorite" - is that all there is to the quote? It seems short and abrupt. Do they mean a fantasy favorite?
That is the whole quote.
  • What makes this a reliable source?
Removed.
  • You reference two IGN reviews but only provide one citation
Added.
  • "MacFarlane stated that if the episode did well and Lucasfilm was satisfied they would work on making a sequel." - source?
Removed.

Ruby 2010/2013 19:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Alright fixed your new concerns added two of the links that you suggested. Any other specific concerns I may address. Pedro J. the rookie 01:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Yet more comments
  • Add more production info to lead (i.e. MacFarlane was a huge fan etc.)
  • The lead could also a brief mention of the cultural references section, considered this section takes up such a large portion of the article
  • Article needs ratings info Ruby 2010/2013 19:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
I believe I fixed those concerns. Pedro J. the rookie 19:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I and another editor question the reliability of YourEntertainmentNow.com. Please find an alternative source for the ratings. Ruby 2010/2013 02:04, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
I've looked in most spots were these ratings are found and I didn't find anything. For example I checked the TV by the Numbers page for the date of the episode and it was not marked. Pedro J. the rookie 20:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
FWIW, I did a search of my own yesterday and could not find ratings for the episode at all, anywhere. Even the usual go-to places came up empty. Wizardman 23:14, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
A search on Highbeam came up with: <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-169824173.html|title=Sunday football gives big kick to Fox, NBC|last=Kissell|first=Rick|date=September 26, 2007|work=[[Daily Variety]]|accessdate=November 23, 2012}} {{Subscription needed}}</ref> See for example: (there's more)

...Fox's one-hour season premiere of "Family Guy" (5.6/13, 10.81m)....
Football game was the highest-rated primetime telecast on any net. since the "American Idol" finale on Fox last May, while "Family Guy" had its best numbers since May 2005 with a "Star Wars"-themed episode.
Combined, football on NBC and "Family Guy" on Fox drew 48% of the male 18-34 audience during Sunday's 9 o'clock hour.

Ruby 2010/2013 00:40, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Done. Pedro J. the rookie 01:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Since that was the last thing to be addressed, this article now passes. Wizardman 00:22, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

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Ruby2010 (talk · contribs) 02:42, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, if a comma needs to be erased, or a space added, why not just do it? Wouldn't it be more efficient than telling someone else to do it? Ileanadu (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Related move request 2013[edit]

See Talk:Blue Harvest (Star Wars) for the discussion that moved this article from Blue Harvest (Family Guy) to Blue Harvest-- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 00:14, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion/Improvements[edit]

I believe this article needs a major rewrite. In this Family Guy episode there are many jokes and parodies. However the article is written as if it is another retelling of Star Wars Episode IV. One thing to be included was the 4th Doctor's entrance theme when the Millenium Falcon enters hyperspace. The are also many other parodies and references that need to be added to the main body of the article.176.24.6.228 (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

For the most part it is a retelling. We shouldn't be mentioning pop culture references unless reliable sources have taken note of them. FG episodes have dozens of pop culture references, so it's necessary to establish significance. Additionally, we should avoid bloating the plot summary in favor of adding real-world content about the episode. You may wish to review MOS:TV. DonIago (talk) 15:26, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

The Only Other Chick in the Galaxy[edit]

–How could you leave out the appearance of Mon Mothma and Peter's quip about "the only other chick in the galaxy." This is a reference to valid criticisms of the original film's lack of female characters. Ileanadu (talk) 17:10, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Oops! Wrong episode. Ileanadu (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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