Talk:Bobby Layne

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Did some copy-editing and diversified the sentence structure a little. J. Charles Taylor 07:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

NPOV Violation?[edit]

He may not have been the greatest quarterback in stats, but he was the greatest quarterback in leadership and bravery.

Unless this can be proven with a specific example or anecdote where someone states this about Layne, I think it should be removed from the article's content for violation of the NPOV policy.-- (talk) 18:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


I don't think the section about the curse should be up there, especially since it hasn't even been compared that he said it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I take that back, the 0-16 season is the big finish to Bobby Layne's curse. Bobby Layne was beast, he correctly predicted that they wouldn't have a championship in 50 years and they didn't! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve12992 (talkcontribs) 21:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


The NFL does not recognize the Ravens as an extension of the Browns. When Art Modell moved his team to Baltimore, he was forced to leave the Browns' identity and history in Cleveland, including the records. The NFL recognizes the Ravens as an "expansion" team with its own history separate from the Browns, and the current Browns are recognized as an extension of the old Browns after a three-year absence. As a result, the Ravens' two Super Bowl championships officially have nothing to do with the Browns, so I eliminated the portion of the "Curse" section that tries to connect the Ravens' championships back to the Browns. If the NFL does not recognize the connection, then the Lions are not the only team in existence since 1970 to have never been to a Super Bowl, because the Browns haven't either, officially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DBR96A (talkcontribs) 18:29, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Apparent error in reference to Alex Karras drinking with him[edit]

The four word reference, displayed below, regarding Alex Karras, should be deleted.

Layne, often accompanied by Alex Karras, was also famous for his late-night bar-hopping, and his heavy drinking may have led to his death shortly before his 60th birthday. Layne is reported to have stated: "If I'd known I was gonna live this long, I'd have taken a lot better care of myself."

Karras finished school at the University of Iowa in the Spring of 1958 and joined the Detroit Lions in August pre-season games of 1958. Layne was traded by Detroit to the Pittsburgh Steelers in Early October of 1958. That would have left them with about 2 months to drink together. Unless there is a better source for this phrase, this four word phrase should be deleted since it far overstates the Layne-Karras relationship, although both were bettors and could be difficult to get along with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


First of all, this paragraph needs to be sourced. Secondly, it essentially states that he died of alcohol abuse, and oh, by the way, he also had cancer. Come on now. (talk) 14:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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