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As with so many beer pages, there are far too many non-notable examples from the US for a style not native to the US. There are hundreds of micros in the states, most of them produce a bock, and they can't all be mentioned. Simply having a wikipedia article for the brewery is not a sufficient indication that a US brewery's bock is notable — it is barely enough to show the brewery itself is notable. 1Z (talk) 13:44, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree. Every example given should have a secondary source confirming it is representative of the style. I suggest removing the "International" list entirely, and ensuring that any bocks listed in the sections of the various sub-styles are either listed by the BJCP as good examples of the style, or have other secondary sourcing.Guinness323 (talk) 13:51, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I think that if only one or two bocks are produced in a given country, that is automatically notable to some
extent. Relying on the BJCP as a single or main source has proven prolematical in the past. 1Z (talk) 14:22, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I am not suggesting BJCP is the sole source and fount of information, just one of the more accessible and recognized secondary sources. I don't have a problem if other secondary sources are used to back up inclusion on this list--there's lots of beer critic books out there. The problem, as I see it, is an editor placing a bock on the list because it happens to be made by his or her favourite craft brewer.Guinness323 (talk) 16:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Along these lines, I edited and removed Shiner Bock from the list. Shiner Bock is a Dark American Lager, and is listed as such in the BJCP style guidelines. Not taking anything away from the beer itself, it just isn't a bock. Traditional bocks have significantly more malt complexity and aroma than is present in Shiner Bock. There's no apparent Munich or Vienna malt character to it which is an absolute necessity to the style. It however does fit the style of the Dark American lager very well.--Palcrypt (talk) 21:32, 17 August 2011 (UTC)