Talk:Boeing 747

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primary users?[edit]

Obviously British Airways has the biggest 747 fleet but I am curious what qualifies KLM, United Airlines and Lufthansa as "primary users"? The 747 is way more common in asia and many asian airlines have a much bigger 747 fleet then they have. (talk) 16:46, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Normal practice for airliners that are still in service is to list them by the size of the current fleet, when the type is retired they will be changed to the more significant or largest fleet during the types life. A bit of original research indicates this is the current fleet size list:
  • British Airways 55
  • Atlas Air 36
  • Qantas 25
  • United 24
  • Lufthansa 22
  • KLM 22
  • Cathay Pacific 18

So really Atlas Air and Qantas should be added instead of Lufthansa and KLM. MilborneOne (talk) 17:15, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Lufthansa is the only two-times 747 launch customer (-200F and -8i) and thus sure worth mentioning. (talk) 08:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I would also like to add an updated version of this list:

British Airways: 55

Atlas Air: 39

Lufthansa: 36

United: 23

KLM: 22

Qantas: 12

Cathay Pacific: 3

The list of "Primary Users" really should be the following:

British Airways

Atlas Air



Just because Lufthansa was the launch customer for the -200 freighter and the -8 intercontinental doesn't mean they have the second most, which is how the primary users should be listed. Rufusmi (talk) 02:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

"Primary" can also be defined by importance, and Lufthansa´s contribution and involvement to its developement from the beginnings in the 60ies (ask Joe Sutter himself) to evolvement into the -400 in the 80ies (they were the most vocal airline to demand a two-man flightdeck) and finally into the -8i is outstanding and incomparable to any other airline. (talk) 14:36, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

"standard-length runways"[edit]

What does "standard-length runways" mean? Is that an official term? Is there truly a standard somewhere or is the term "standard" being used improperly? If there is a precise specification of "standard-length runways" then what is that?

For example, the VC-25 is the military equivalent. The current aircraft usually used as Air Force One is a VC-25. The Van Nuys Airport in southern California has a runway that is 8,000 feet. I do not know how to determine if Air Force One could land at (and take off from) Van Nuys Airport. It would help to have a precise specification of what a 747 requires.

Sam Tomato (talk) 18:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Not all 747s are the same, they have different weights which change the runway requirements as well as the actual load on the day, any 747 figures are unlikely to apply to the VC-25s, does Boeing VC-25 mention runway length? MilborneOne (talk) 18:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Aviation Project[edit]

I was thinking about the detailed information on this page and I'm thinking that something like this should be done with the military aviation forums. (talk) 00:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Huh? What detailed information on which page? This article or the talk page? What "military aviation forums" are you referring too? WP is not a forum, and has nothing to do with forums on other sites. So what exactly are you even suggesting here? - BilCat (talk) 03:19, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Date fromat[edit]

Correct me if i am wrong, but i believe the concensus is that dates for aviation articles should be , with the exception of US MILITARY articles.--Petebutt (talk) 08:16, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

No, M-D-Y date format is used here because this is a US product and not military-related. The established date format should not be changed without good reason. -Fnlayson (talk) 12:45, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Cargo containers[edit]

Can anyone point me to any image of a 747F with cargo containers loaded? A photo or diagram would be fine. I want to show something in the Boeing RC-1 article, but can't find a thing. Everything I can find is pallets. Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I have not run across any. But there are container images at Unit load device, such as the one with containers in an A300 fuselage section that could be of general help. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Boeing 747 already being replaced[edit]

The Boeing y3 is not the one to replace the 747. The Boeing 787 is the airliner that is now replacing the 747 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:02, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Unlikely the 787 is a smaller and a replacement for the 767. MilborneOne (talk) 12:12, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

747 AAC dead link update[edit]

I found a page that appears to be the correct link for #176 ″"The Parasite Fighters". VectorSite, December 2009.″ If someone can verify then it should be updated. I did not update it yet as I was not sure and this is my first wikipedia post.

BenjaminJMeyer (talk) 11:30, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

The link and info in cite have been updated. Thanks for the notice. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:47, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

New source from the Economist[edit]

WhisperToMe (talk) 11:39, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Redirect of Jumbo jet[edit]

  • Hi, I wanted to direct the attention of those who might have some input or better arguments than I to the discussion on the Talk:Jumbo jet redirect. There are several editors who feel strongly that jumbo jet primarily refers to all wide body aircraft, and do not support directing the term jumbo jet to either this page Boeing 747 or making it the disambiguation page which lists both the specific historical nickname for the 747, it's broader usage for wide body aircraft, and a few other "jumbo jet" named items. I am a lone voice, and I thought editors here might have an inherent interest. Marcinjeske (talk) 17:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

TWA Flight 800[edit]

Sadly this was probably shot down by the US navy. Hence the complete lack of urgency in implementing a 'fix'. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I hate to see the plane cop the blame for something that wasn't its fault. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:57, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

TWA Flight 800 already covers such theories. Wikipedia talk pages are meant to be for improving articles, not as discussion forums. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:18, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Air Force One[edit]

Shouldn't it be listed some where that the new Air Force One will be a 747-8?--Airplane Maniac (talk) 14:31, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

The selection is covered at Boeing 747-8, Boeing VC-25 and Air Force One already. However, there's been no aircraft order with this yet. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:44, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
What do you mean by "there's been no aircraft order with this yet."--AM (I would LOVE to talk!) 18:58, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
They have not actually signed anything all they have said is they have decided to order it in the future or to quote "This decision is not a contract award to procure 747-8 aircraft,' said Col. Amy McCain, the Presidential Aircraft Recapitalization (PAR) program manager. 'We still need to finalize the overall acquisition strategy and conduct risk-reduction activities with Boeing to inform the engineering and manufacturing development contract negotiations that will define the capabilities and cost.' " MilborneOne (talk) 19:04, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok. I still think it should be mentioned though... Thoughts?--AM (I would LOVE to talk!) 19:10, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
It is mentioned in Boeing 747-8, Boeing VC-25 and Air Force One so even if ordered is not really notable here, we only mention the current VC-25s Air Force in the variants section so I dont see why we should mention the proposed buy. MilborneOne (talk) 19:36, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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