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747-8 (without "i")[edit]

Dear Denniss (talk) how am I supposed to provide a reference for something that is not used anymore? Boeing uses on all recent releases either full "747-8 Intercontinental" or just "747-8" for the passenger version. If you don't believe it, I can give you examples: [[1]] [[2]] [[3]] All are official Boeing releases and none uses 747-8i as designation, in the first two just "747-8" is used for the passenger version and 747-8F for the freighter and in the third 747-8 Intercontinental is used. So thats what should be used in this article as well.SideshowBob7 (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Plenty of evidence they still use intercontinental and that's what the "i" is supposed to stand for. They often use just 747-8 or 747-8 freighter instead of -8f, shall we drop using the -8f designation as well? Changing the article use would actually add confusion instead of improving it.--Denniss (talk) 14:07, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, Boeing frequently uses full "747-8 Intercontinental" but whenever they use a shortcut it's "747-8" for the passenger version. See the first two links I provided, where 747-8F by the way is used as official designation for the freighter. Since Boeing isn't using 747-8I, I don't see why it should be used here!SideshowBob7 (talk) 14:20, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Still those examples are not proof that the 747-8I was renamed to 747-8 as you are claiming in article text. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:29, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
  • I removed the -I as Boeing is not using it anymore (see Boeing website and recent press releases). I also don't see what would be confusing about 747-8 for passneger and 747-8F for freighters because exactly this naming scheme has been used for the 747-400 for decades. 134.96.199.57 (talk) 19:01, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
I've restored them. You've no consensus for these changes, and no sources have been submitted that the -8i was renamed. - BilCat (talk) 19:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  • No one has provided a source that says -8 has actually replaced -8I. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
In your edit summary You claim there are sources that 747-8I is used. If that is so than please be so free to show me one recent official Boeing document where they use 747-8I and I will immediately stop! Otherwise it's pretty obvious that it's not used anymore, as can be seen in the examples provided above and demanding another source for that is just ridicolous; See: [4] ._ 134.96.74.162 (talk) 16:46, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
The recent 747 press releases refer to the passenger version as "747-8 Intercontinental". These two Boeing pages (747 BG updated c.2013, AERO article, 2010) do list "747-8I". -Fnlayson (talk) 18:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Air Force One[edit]

I've heard that they have ordered a 747-8 to replace the 747-200 Air Force One. Is that true? Andrepoiy (talk) 00:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Look in the "Presidential aircraft" section. Check the references there or look on most any news site. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:13, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposed infobox image change[edit]

I propose changing the infobox image to this image of a Lufthansa 747-8i:

Lufthansa Boeing 747-8 (16278574162).jpg

The reason for the proposed change include:

  • higher resolution image
  • in-service production version, not prototype as in first image
  • faces article text correctly

If needed, my proposed image may be cropped for use in the infobox. Is this a good change or not? Kai Tak 14:18, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

  • I dont have a problem with your suggestion. MilborneOne (talk) 20:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
They´re also the largest operator of the type. 89.15.239.204 (talk) 20:34, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Highest aircraft gross weight production cargo airplane?[edit]

The 747-8F would seem to have displaced the Antonov An-124 Ruslan as the "world's highest aircraft gross weight production cargo airplane." Is this true, and if so, should this be in the lede? Fanyavizuri (talk) 06:46, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Only if reported by reliable sources. The An-124 article says that the production has been suspended, not permanently ended. Since the fact is only going to be temporary, it probably shouldn't be in the lead. AHeneen (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Is the 777 really larger in terms of passengers carried that the 747?[edit]

Look at this article: http://www.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/080715/boeing-says-747-no-longer-its-biggest-jet-ba.aspx?partner=YahooSA&ref=yfp The article states that the largest 777 planned will carry more than the 747-8. However, its seat count looks close to the 424 or so carried by the 747-400 in 3-class configuration. The 747-8 carries 467 in 3 classes. Does the article assume that the 747-8 has been reconfigured for two classes, with business class significantly expanded (and therefore many fewer economy seats provided?) I did not want to use this citation for updating the 747 page without adequate references and citations. I'm looking around, but if anybody has good references and wants to incorporate this, feel free. Raryel (talk) 21:42, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

No. It´s just a shoddy piece of "journalism". Seat count is not determined by PR-agencies, but by authorities. Limiting factor is availability and size/type of doors, and the maximum for any 777 with 5 type-A-doors is 550 pax. Limit for the 747-8i is 605 due to the additional type-C-door on the upper deck. regards, 89.204.138.20 (talk) 15:06, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Transaero Airlines bankruptcy[edit]

Hello.

Transaero Airlines went bankrupt and the Russian government is shutting it down on October 26th. This should mean that their order is cancelled. Can someone confirm if this is correct and then update the orders list?

Thanks.

24.86.109.134 (talk) 17:41, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

It is not that simple as you imply. An order is a contract and there are terms for canceling, such as penalty fees. Boeing still has this order listed on its 747 orders and deliveries page as of Dec 2016. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:40, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Possible GA?[edit]

Would any editor be interested with taking this article to Good Article status together? I have tagged some text as needing citations and needing update (parts of the article look like they were written before the aircraft or a specific variant entered service), and fixed quite a few dead references in the article (there are still several that need to be replaced). Once these are fixed the article should be good to go. ssт✈(discuss) 14:59, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Yawn. Nobody interested? sst✈(discuss) 09:16, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

"Outdated" tag[edit]

@Fnlayson: I added the tag to the section because it is apparent that parts of the article were written before the aircraft or variant has entered service, such as "The 747-8F is to have more payload capacity but less range than the current 747-400ERF" (implying that the 747-8F is not yet in service) and "as a consequence, this area will not have windows" (implying that the 747-8 Intercontinental is not yet in service). These are only a few examples of clearly outdated text and need to be rewritten with new sources or removed completely. I have re-added the tag for now; please do not remove the tag before addressing these issues. sst✈discuss 08:53, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

That's fine. I did not see specific reason(s) before on what are the problem(s). Reason(s) can be added in tags like these to clarity. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:27, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

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Unjustified information "Entry into service and future prospects"?[edit]

The following statement has no source, and I personaly doubt the truth:

"Airlines bought the 747 primarily for its range, not its capacity, and the potential for unfilled seats was an accepted drawback. The advent of the long-range twin-engine jet, exemplified by the Boeing 777, took away the range advantage."

Really? Wasn't/isn't the capacity very important? A huge part was/is doing US east-west-coast and transatlantic which is far from the range capacity of the 747.

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Isn't it rather unusual to add preliminary orders to the table[edit]

For other aircraft, like the A380, even orders with named parties (Iran 12 A380s) are not added until the order is firm. The last line in the orders table on this page seems to be based only on a preliminary order with no named customer. [1] Chann94501 (talk) 17:20, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

It is an unnamed customer and listed as a firm order by Boeing here. Where does that article or other source say this is a preliminary order? -Fnlayson (talk) 19:01, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

References

Currency[edit]

I've tagged the article as needing updating. Lots of it is fine, but parts have a number of places where it's telling us what was happening as of 2010 or whenever. Editors in the know could presumably sort this out so that the article just tells us what happened rather than what was intended to happen and might have done so? :) Thanks DBaK (talk) 16:03, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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