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Naming[edit]

I hope the list name is satisfactory to everyone. It seemed like the logical choice. Please comment if you think it should be changed. <>Who?¿? 05:35, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC) It is not clear whether the name Arpine Lusène should actually read Arpin Lusène. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.2.246.81 (talk) 14:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Family tree[edit]

Wouldn't a family tree be in order here? I assume Don Rosa's official one is copyright protected to death, but a text tree would fit in nicely.

Inaccuracy in Historical Figure[edit]

There was inaccuracy in Don Rosa's story which mentioned Sultan Mangkunegara V as ruler of Djokja. I did some correspondence with Don Rosa himself by e-mail. The following quote was one of his earlier answer

In fact, that Java story may have involved more research than anything I've ever done short of my Templar treasure stories. It involved research into Java history and customs, volcano facts and Krakatoa history, and even contacting Dutch translators to help me write out newspaper headlines and background store names.
I just went and found the notebook filled with hundreds of facts and notes that I wrote during my research for that story. I see that I got the names of the sultans, and their photos, from an 1890's traveler's memoir titled ON THE SUBJECT OF JAVA. I see that the book stated that during 1861-1892 the Sultan of Surakarta (Solo) was Pakubuwana IX. And during 1881-1896 the Sultan of Djokjakarta was Mangkunagara V. I see my notes say he was the "res. sultan in Batavia"... if that means "resident sultan" which is different than the main sultan, I don't know. I also am at the mercy of the correctness of the books I get my facts from. I personally don't know who was the Sultan of Djokja in 1882, but the book I got from the history library at the University of Louisville said it was Mangkunagara V.

Will it be matter if I just add the information? Kunderemp 19:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

And right until now I had just thought Rosa had made the names up. I guess his stories never cease to amaze me. JIP | Talk 18:06, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Picsou Magazine[edit]

How does Picsou fit in please? He is clearly a duck because he signed my daughter's autograph book at EuroDisneyland. - Kittybrewster (talk) 23:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Picsou is just the French name for Scrooge McDuck, in case that wasn't just a joke. (I guess that's the main reason those Disneyland characters generally mime to communicate...) 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 22:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

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Witch Hazel[edit]

"Usually, her stories show her interactions not with the Duck Clan, but with Goofy (the only exception are the stories Il dottor Paperus, parody of Goethe's Faust in '50s, and its sequel Paperino e il seguito della storia, published in 1999)". FALSE: Hazel appears in other duck stories:

  • Paperino e l'aspirapolvere fatato (1956)
  • Paperino il paladino: Hazel tells Donald the story of one of his ancestor, Donald the paladin.
  • Paperin furioso: parody of Orlando furioso and sequel of Paperino il paladino, in this story Hazel decides to punish Donald and Gus for sleeping rather than helping Grandma Duck, by sending them in the past.
  • She could appear in the other two stories of the Disney carolingian saga but I don't remember if so or not.
  • I remember another story in which Hazel sends Scrooge in a future where the Earthlings are giants and one of these giants (an alter ego of Donald) tries to eat him. When Scrooge manages to return alive in the present, he beated down Donald because his future and giant version risked to eat him.

Sorry for any spelling and syntax mistakes, I'm italian.--79.23.147.24 (talk) 23:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Own articles vs. redirects[edit]

Why does Bucky Bug, a character who has appeared extremely seldom in any comic or TV show for the last half a century, get his own article, but John D. Rockerduck, who stars as the villain of at least one story in pretty much every issue of the Donald Duck pocket books, published in pretty much every European country, doesn't? I'm beginning to form a theory that English-speakers don't actually read any Disney comics any more. JIP | Talk 18:14, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Bucky Bug has appeared in more than 200 stories, more than 100 of them after 1980. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.81.82.15 (talk) 01:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Article length[edit]

The article is over 70 kilobytes long. Shouldn't it be split into subarticles? JIP | Talk 08:48, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Rockerduck[edit]

In relation with the above message : I see the John D. Rockerduck article has been merged here. While I tend to agree with the other articles proposed for merging, I think he should be given back his own article. While Rockerduck may not be very familiar with american readers, he has been a very major character for about 40 years in italian-produced Disney comics. Since those comics are widely translated in many european countries, Rockerduck is actually more familiar than Flintheart Glomgold to a good deal of european audiences (especially in Italy, France and Portugal).

If the international readership is accounted for, I'd say this character deserves his own article almost as much as the Beagle boys, and certainly more than a minor Marvel comics villain like, say, Mahkizmo. His impact on popular culture is certainly superior than what can be said for the latter character. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 15:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I entirely and wholeheartedly agree with this, being European and a fan of Italian Donald Duck comics myself. If no one objects in a couple of days, I will move Rockerduck back to his own article. JIP | Talk 19:24, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Oppose. The discussion took place in Talk:Duck universe#Merge with individual articles about elements of the Scrooge McDuck universe such as characters. Rockerduck, as well as most of the characters in the list, is a relevant character but only within the comics and the universe itself. Rockerduck needs to prove notability outside this universe, by receiving coverage by reliable secondary sources, independent from the Duck universe, and/or impact in popular culture. That is what makes a fictional topic notable, not how many comics he has appeared in. Certainly, Rockerduck is not a cultural icon nor as notable as, for instance, Mickey Mouse, Scrooge, Goofy, Pete, etc. Since the article is almost about his fictional biography and comics appearances but no real world content, the contents perfectly fit in this list. --LoЯd ۞pεth 05:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

There was not much discussion, actually. The character is far more notable than many minor characters from American comics, who have their own articles on wikipedia. Anyway, you can find here a mention of him as an example of a Disney character who became popular only - or mainly - in the foreign market. Here is an example of his name used, in italian, as a metaphor for "rival millionaire" (i.e., a millionaire who is the rival of another millionaire, in this instance, Bill Koch, rival of Raul "Uncle Scrooge" Gardini), and here and here as a metaphor for "unlikeable wealthy person / go-getter". Here he is mentioned in a study about pathological greed (as the archival of Uncle Scrooge, who is himself the example of said greed). I think this proves how very recognizable his name is in italian popular culture. When the name of a fictional character is familiar enough to become a metaphor for something (or several things), that actually means that he has an impact of some kind on the general public of certain countries.
Here he is mentioned in a french book (under his french name Flairsou) as Scrooge's archrival. Here he is mistakenly mentioned by other french authors as Scrooge's archrival in Barks' works, while Carl Barks actually used mainly Flintheart Glomgold (since he is so familiar in European-made comics, I guess the authors assumed that he was also a major figure in Barks' original works). I think this is conclusive enough.
IMHO, Grandma Duck, Gladstone Gander and Fethry Duck (whose notability is comparable, at least certainly in the first two cases, to that of Gyro Gearloose) could perhaps also be unmerged, although I certainly don't oppose the merging of With Hazel, Jubal Pomp, O. K. Quack, etc. Brigitta MacBridge might be justifiably unmerged for being very notable in italian comics but I won't put a fight over her. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 13:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
If there are no further objections in a couple of days, I might move John D. Rockerduck, Grandma Duck, Gladstone Gander and Fethry Duck back into their own articles. I understand this is the English Wikipedia, and American and British people hardly remember these characters any more, despite the entire universe having been invented by Americans. In mainland Europe, they are vastly more popular. I understand popularity is not enough for notability, but really, by what User:Jean-Jacques Georges has said above, at least Rockerduck is recognised outside the Donald Duck comics fandom. Also, if I might add, in Finland, hannuhanhi (a generic form of Hannu Hanhi, Gladstone Gander) is a general word for someone who is recognisably lucky. That's one reason for giving Gladstone Gander back his own article. JIP | Talk 21:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
@Jean-Jacques Georges, it is good you have found those sources. If you are considering unmerging Rockerduck, make sure to include them in an "In popular culture" section to prove notability within the article, so that readers may also know why such a character deserves its own page.
@JIP I also object Grandma, Gladstone and Fethry. If you can prove their notability in the same way Jean-Jacques Georges has done with Rockerduck, go ahead. But if you are only basing your arguments on popularity in Italy and a couple of more countries without adding real world content, you should expect me to merge them again for being just popular but non-notable. --LoЯd ۞pεth 09:52, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
In case anyone cares, I have read that Rockerduck's popularity is purely accidental in origin. The character appeared in only one (minor) Barks story, called Boat buster. Then, in the early sixties, some italian cartoonist needed a rival billionaire for an Uncle Scrooge story and, since, Boat buster had just been published in Italy, he used Rockerduck. Ever since, the character has been a very major presence in Italian-made Disney comics. As a kid, I read italian Disney comics for years, and Rockerduck was definitely Scrooge's major antagonist (with the Beagle boys and Magica deSpell, of course). On the contrary, appearances of Flintheart Glomgold were few and far between, mostly in American stories translated into italian, or in a small number of italian-made stories. Actually, Flintheart was so little known to italian readers that the italian authors and/or translators went through several names for him (Polidoro Orifiamma, Rupedor, MacGold) before they settled for Cuordipietra Famedoro (a rough translation of the original english name). It was not until the 1980s, when Flintheart Glomgold was revived by Don Rosa and by the Ducktales cartoon, that he became a recurring character in european-made comics. He is now Scrooge's main antagonist in scandinavian-made Disney comics, while Rockerduck remains more popular in italian-made comics.
Anyway, I don't see the contradiction between being "popular" and being "notable". A character who has been the main protagonist of his own stories (as in the case of Grandma Duck) certainly has a degree of notability. Like I said before, many utterly minor Marvel or DC comics characters have their own articles, even though they are far less notable if the whole global readership is accounted for. As for Fethry Duck, here is for example a book where his italian name (Paperoga) is used as a metaphor for "Klutz" or "clumsy person" (and the book is about soccer, not about comics). Here is a novel mentioning "Gastone" (Gladstone Gander) as "Donald's lucky cousin"); here he is mentioned in a book on popular culture by art critic Vittorio Sgarbi. Here is an italian "humorous" piece from 1991, where Barbara Bush is called "Nonna papera" (Grandma Duck) as a metaphor for "sweet old granny" (even though it is ironic). Here is another italian book using "Grandma Duck" as a metaphor for "Perfect granny" (or something like that). I guess JIP could find scandinavian examples.
Just as a sidenote : I didn't check if that is specified in the Scrooge McDuck article, but Paperone (Scrooge's italian name) is, in italian slang, a very common metaphor for "very wealthy person". Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 19:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

As I have already said, if the characters have proven notability, then they must get their own pages back. I think that Jean-Jacques Georges has made great contributions finding them. I think that we can start by reverting the mergers of Rockerduck, Grandma, Ferthy and Gladstone and add those sources. I don't know any Italian so I think that I would ask Jean-Jacques to add those sources in a "In popular culture" section but also explain in which context the characters are mentioned (for instance, in this source "Gastone" being mentioned as "Donald's lucky cousin" is not a proof of notability, it is a mere fact, but if the context is explained and adapted into an encyclopedic Wikipedia article, it would be better). --LoЯd ۞pεth 02:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem if anyone wants me to add those sources into context.
Again, I don't see how being a popular comic character does not make said character notable, if said popularity can be proved. I have already mentioned Mahkizmo, but what about Gorgon, Doctor Bong, Baron Brimstone, Captain Ultra or Big Wheel ? Why would fairly obscure or minor comics creations who have only appeared as supporting characters in a few issues deserve their articles more than Rockerduck of Fethry Duck, who have appeared in hundred of stories ? Who cares about the aforementioned characters except hardcore comic books nerds ? (don't take that as a criticism of said nerds : as a teenager and young adult, I have been an avid reader of american comic books). Yet they have their own articles, which I do not oppose at all.
If everyone agrees, I think we can let JIP unmerge the pages. As I said, if JIP has sources in scandinavian languages that use Gladstone as a metaphor for something, that would be great, though I think a mention of him in a book by an art critic (no matter how unusual an art critic Vittorio Sgarbi is) is enough of a proof of his notability. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 17:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, I went out and gave John D. Rockerduck back his own article, merging the content that was here with what had been there already. The next thing to do is to add those sources that User:Jean-Jacques Georges mentioned into there. JIP | Talk 19:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, I do not want to sound bossy here, but the Burden of evidence lies on those who suggested the unmerge. That means that you two have to add those sources to prove the notability in the article. I know he is notable, but the point is not to make me believe that, the point is to add appropiate sources and establish notability.--LoЯd ۞pεth 09:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I did not make myself clear. I was not trying to say you should add those sources. I was talking about User:Jean-Jacques Georges and myself, mainly about Jean-Jacques Georges, since he was the one who found the sources in the first place. JIP | Talk 18:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry if I took some time to answer. Just added the sources on Rockerduck. I can do the same for Fethry and Grandma Duck if the need arises. If JIP can add a scandinavian source for Gladstone, that would be great. BTW, I also added to the Scrooge McDuck article a sourced mention of the latter's use in italian slang. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 16:07, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Howard Rockerduck[edit]

I just wrote a brief section about Howard Rockerduck. I later saw that Wikipedia already had had an article about him, but it was changed into a redirect to this page. Oh well, I will have to see if I can merge the original text into mine. JIP | Talk 21:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Possible split?[edit]

This article includes characters from three somewhat, but not entirely, different places: the original Disney cartoons, the comic books made from them (by Barks and Rosa, and the European authors), and the Darkwing Duck cartoons. I am starting to find it worrying that this article mixes them up so freely without mentioning that the three places form pretty much (if not entirely) distinct continua. Perhaps the article should be split to acknowledge this? If not into three subarticles, at least into three sections. JIP | Talk 21:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Bolivar[edit]

How is Bolivar "unusual" in being a non-anthropomorphic animal? A Duck universe consisting mostly of anthropomorphic animals would equal a real-life universe consisting mostly of humans. The Duck universe is a caricature of the real-life universe, so it's natural that because animals exist in real life, their equivalents also exist in the Duck universe. Or are we going to write "ZOMG! I just saw an animal that wasn't anthropomorphic!!!!1111!!111" every time someone spots a bird flying in the sky in one panel of a Donald Duck comic? JIP | Talk 21:06, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Needs references![edit]

This page is rated as a list on most of the quality scales, but the content is not that of a list. Many of the character descriptions include significant detail, and it is almost never sourced. A couple of examples: - "Like Panchito Pistoles and José Carioca, the Aracuan Bird is primarily known only from these three films in the USA. However, he has found some success in comics from Brazil where he is known as Folião." - "Launchpad is a slightly different character in Darkwing Duck. He is notably less competent and less of a man of action, perhaps to keep him from upstaging Darkwing." - "Franco Fossati once defined him as '...a perfect character who with his innocence criticizes the absurdity of our society. Going on with time he will adequate to our times and to our every-day way of living and we'll forget that he came from space.' "

Sadly, I am nowhere near knowledgeable enough on the area to be able to improve the references myself. I have added the refimprove tag to the article, though. Dulkal (talk) 09:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Need to mention this[edit]

He's now been voted The Greatest Videogame Sidekick Ever by Gamespot users: http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-sidekick/index.html?tag=content_nav%3Bblog — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.72.28.62 (talk) 15:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Erm, who has? JIP | Talk 17:15, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

No 3RR violation, I should hope[edit]

I hope I haven't broken the WP:3RR rule even though I have now performed three reverts to the same article on the same day. Every edit which I have reverted has been by a bot, and by a different bot each time. They insist on adding wrong interwiki links to this article. JIP | Talk 17:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved back to previous name. Andrewa (talk) 05:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


List of duck universe charactersList of Duck universe characters – A user moved this page from List of Donald Duck universe characters to List of duck universe characters without discussing it anywhere, with the edit reason: "'Duck universe' is more generic since it includes Scrooge. Decapitalizing 'duck' because that would imply the term is official." First of all, Scrooge is closely related to Donald, and they often appear in the same stories. Second, the only reason for Scrooge not being a Duck is that his surname is McDuck. I see this as a mere technicality. Third, the name "duck universe" just looks weird. Even the Wikipedia article Duck universe calls it the "Duck universe". JIP | Talk 05:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Support, Gregkaye 06:37, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Move back to List of Donald Duck universe characters - the other article should also be at Donald Duck universe, since duck universe (which is how it appears) doesn't suggest Donald Duck or Disney to non-Disney fans, and I bet it has no use in non Duck-fan printed sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Move back to List of Donald Duck universe characters to improve recognition and precision. In my view, Scrooge McDuck is adequately connected to Donald Duck's universe to be considered a part of it, and he is a less central figure than Donald. Members of a universe do not necessarily all have to have the same surname (and it is common for surnames to differ and drift within families, especially with emigration, marriage, and generational descent). For that matter, there are members of this universe that aren't even birds – there are some dogs, at least one person, some chipmunks, a horse, a bear, ... —BarrelProof (talk) 16:24, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
  • "duck universe" with lowercase looks more like biology/ecology of natural ducks than anything Disney. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:46, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment *sigh* Okay, I admit I was wrong. This isn't at all a good name for the article. But I was unaware of any policy that you should always start a discussion before a move. I follow "Be bold!" For what it's worth though, I personally prefer "Duck universe" over "Donald Duck universe" on this article, just because it's internally consistent with the main article and there's not many external references for naming convention. One final food for thought: Don Rosa in his commentary in The Life and Times also capitalizes "Universe", as in the "Barks Duck Universe" and the "Italian Duck Universe". Pigby (talk) 22:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Cautionary comment @In ictu oculi: @BarrelProof: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Duck_universe begins: "The Duck universe (also called the Donald Duck universe or Scrooge McDuck universe) is ..." Gregkaye 16:50, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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Howard Rockerduck[edit]

Where am I supposed to list Howard Rockerduck, the father of John D. Rockerduck? Unlike his son, he's an honest an honourable businessman, but he's a blood relation to his more notorious son. JIP | Talk 16:55, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Alphabetically under "Howard", I suppose. Several other characters relating to John D. seem to be placed that way here. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:54, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but under which section? JIP | Talk 06:42, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
"Supporting characters", I suppose. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:43, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Nodalotaluk[edit]

It looks like that the Wikipedia community agrees that Nodalotaluk should be merged to this article. I'd go ahead and just do the merge, but there's one problem. The article about Nodalotaluk doesn't include a picture of her or describe her appearance. Neither does anything I found about her on Google (by far most of which is Wikipedia or its mirrors). The current version of this list article is organised by the characters' appearance. I have no idea where I should place Nodalotaluk into, as I have no idea what she looks like. JIP | Talk 18:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Such a funny problem! :-) While I haven't read this story, it appears the villagers descended from her are dogfaces. (Here is the link to the story on INDUCKS: The Amazon queen; see the Russian version page at the bottom.) However, Nodalotaluk is not listed as making an appearance, so maybe she is an unseen character. Pigby (talk) 19:39, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Pete: Cat of wolf?[edit]

This article seems to be in a constant edit war over whether Pete is a cat or a wolf. Can this finally be resolved? JIP | Talk 20:35, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

The Pete (Disney) article clearly has several sources which claim that he's a cat.*Treker (talk) 20:43, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
So why do people keep editing the article claiming he's a wolf then? JIP | Talk 20:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I have no idea. Most likely it's childish vandalism.*Treker (talk) 20:54, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
It is one user hopping over IPs most likely. Been at it for weeks on this and a couple of other pages. Mezigue (talk) 21:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2018[edit]

Please change "doesn't" to "does not" in:

This is per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Contractions, which cautions against the use of contractions in encyclopaedic writing. 5.151.0.121 (talk) 13:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Done Per MOS:CONTRACT Spintendo ᔦᔭ 13:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)