Talk:Book of Discipline (Quaker)

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How many F&P's to include[edit]

Since most yearly meetings produce a Faith and Practice it seems overly narrow to have this article just cover Britain's F&P. It seems to me that this article needs to be more broad in focus. --Ahc 14:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I just realised about all the other similar books whilst researching, and came to the talk page to ask for help, so yes I agree. I'll just try to clarify that a bit on the page and then leave it to others who will know more than I do. EverSince 16:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

General Comments[edit]

  • Since Britain Yearly Meeting's Quaker faith & practice is available online (at and as good explanatory material included, I doubt that there is a need for this article that someone has worked very hard to produce.
  • I am not sure what evidence the author can produce for statement

    "Since the majority of the Society remain within a Christian theistic tradition"

    Has anyone done a global survey of individual Quaker beliefs, recently?
  • If the author is looking at Britain YM's "Big Red Book", then they might note the Advices and Queries featured at the front and also published separately, as "the Little Red Book".
  • If the Britain YM's Book of Discipline is being described, then the article should mention that a new edition, in two volumes is planned (The Friend,8 Dec 2006).
=== Vernon White (talk) 00:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I started this article because I felt there was a need for an NPOV account of the main book of faith and practice as used by the Quakers. As noted above, the British F&P isn't the only one the article needs to summarise. The statement about the majority of the society was just an attempt to capture that the Quakers are known as a Christian religious organisation. I read somewhere (forget where just now) that about 1/4 of British Quakers profess non-theist views. I hope those who will know much more than I about this subject will go ahead and change thingsEverSince 22:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC) p.s. I put a link to this page in the main Quaker page but only under the British section, before I realised the international usage...not sure whether a distinct section on it on the main page is needed (instead of or in addition to this page) EverSince 22:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The article in The Friend mentioned (The Friend,8 Dec 2006, simply states that the RECAST group had proposed "that YM should set up a Book of Discipline Group to prepare a redraft of the Church Government sections of Quaker faith & practice – which should also be divided back into two separate volumes, as previously" - it does not say whether Britain Yearly Meeting actually accepted this proposal (not all of the RECAST proposals were accepted) - my understanding is that this has [i]not[/i] happened because the latest redraft of Quaker Faith and Practice has the RECAST changes to Church Government in it, but is still in one volume. Also, the proposal is only that the Church Government sections are redrafted, not that the whole book is redrafted. I have not heard anything about a general redraft. I am therefore taking the statement that a redraft is planned out of the article unless anyone can demonstrate any other evidence that a general redraft is planned or started. Ceiriog (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

On including a new F&P[edit]

This is what I have done, in response to the article currently only really covering BYMs version. I have tucked information particular to that version under a new subheading. This means that anyone who knows anything about the other ones may put in a subheading specific to that one in the same place. This hasn't fixed the issue of there not being enough information there. But it has put a mechanism in place. --Paul Carpenter 19:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've added a paragraph on what seem to be the equivalent Australian publications as described by Australia Yearly Meeting. EverSince 13:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

BYM=Britain YM and Baltimore YM[edit]

Suggest we do not ambiguate ourselves by using "BYM", even if the context indicates which YM is referred to. === 16:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Done so, and in future be bold and make changes that you see fit, also register and join the project if you feel you have more to add. Paul Carpenter 21:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to add a comment that, as I understand it, anyone is free to comment or edit whether they have registered a name or joined a particular project or not. The latter in particular always being entirely optional as I understand it. EverSince 13:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

"consensual decision-making process"[edit]

Quakers claim to go "beyond consensus" in their processes. A consensus can be agreed on what all regard as the least worst option. Quakers drafting a Book of Discipline would rather wait another year than agree on something that did not, at least, hope to be both clear and inspiring. === Vernon White (talk) 19:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

New title[edit]

I propose that this article should be retitled "Books of discipline of the Religious Society of Friends", with redirects from "Quaker Faith and Practice", "Faith and Practice", "Christian Faith and Practice" and "book of discipline". Quaker Faith and Practice is only the title used in Britain Yearly Meeting (and only there since 1994) - most other YMs use the title "Faith and Practice" or "Book of Discipline" - so a more general title would incorporate other YMs books of discipline better. Ceiriog (talk) 16:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)