Talk:Book of Mormon

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Requested move 1 June 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. There is no agreement that the proposed name is more common or otherwise preferable according to policy. Cúchullain t/c 15:13, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Book of MormonThe Book of Mormon – (This topic has been discussed before, I don't know why it no longer appears in this talk page.) Proper English dictates any published book be referred to by its full name. It further dictates mid-article references need not include "The" from its title.

For comparison purposes, the article for The New York Times uses its full legal title in the heading. If there is any good reason to use "The" in The New York Times but not for The Book of Mormon, please advise how the official rules of the English language state this. Thank you. Dpammma (talk) 10:32, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Oppose "Proper English" isn't a reason for a move change. You need to be able to show that your version is the WP:COMMONNAME used in reliable sources. In this[1] Google books search, among virtually ever other link, I see Hugh Nibley doesn't use your version. Google Scholar shows the same.[2] Doug Weller talk 10:51, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Respond call it proper English, official English, or whatever you like, but all Wikipedia articles should follow standard language rules. This settles bias or arbitrary viewpoint. Further, "The Book of Mormon" meets all elements of Wikipedia article title policy. And again, "Book of Mormon" is never used in practical/everyday usage. It just isn't done, and it makes no sense to apply an article title that is never used in any instance. Regarding Nibley reference, Van Dam's book of condensed Hugh Nibley history and teachings (published in 2014) includes a Nibley quote that due to ongoing learnings (from new research, language evolution, church revelation, etc.), he takes no responsibility for anything he said more than three years previously. He died in 2005 so this certainly applies. (Note: I don't know how to link a source yet -- please advise how to do this.)
  • Regardless, we need to follow our guidelines, not my opinion or yours. You were told this in 2014 by User:Editor2020 when you wanted to make the same change. Nibley is just an example, there are plenty of other similar sources including stuff by BYU authors. Doug Weller talk 12:50, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support per nom and per this being the main volume and principal text of a recognized prominent religion. The links show that the full title is used as a common name, the people who follow this religion probably use the 'The', and per accuracy concerning the name of a major religious text. Randy Kryn 13:56, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose as needless definite article. I don't see substantial WP:COMMON for it, and the general MOS guidelines are to be simple and avoid articles. I note also our article is called just Bible, even though the first sentence uses the definite article, and that the DAB page is at Bible (disambiguation) even though using a definite article would be natural-dab for this specific meaning. DMacks (talk) 14:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Note: See Talk:Book of Mormon/Archive 13#Change Article Title from "Book of Mormon" to "The Book of Mormon" from June 2014 for previous discussion. DMacks (talk) 14:21, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all the arguments in opposition above. --Taivo (talk) 15:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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