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Errors[edit]

Boy Scouts of the Philippines 181 N. A. Lopez Street Ermita, Manila Philippines Tel. No.: +63 2 5275109/5280555 Fax No.: +63 2 5280577 Email: phiscout@skyinet.net

Scouting was first introduced in the Philippines by the United States, around 1914, 4 years after the Boy Scouts of America was founded.

The first all Filipino Scout Troop was organized in Zamboanga by a young lieutenant by the name of Sherman l. Kiser through the sponsorship of Mrs. Caroline S. Spencer, an American who was in the Philippines doing Charity work. The troop was composed of 26 Muslim boys.

In 1923, the Philippine Council-BSA was formed through the efforts of the Rotary Club of Manila mainly to launch Scouting as a nationwide movement and to provide guidance to the troops which had been independently organized throughout the country. 1923 is the official founding of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines.

In October 1936, president Manuel L. Quezon issued an act which made the Boy Scout movement a public corporation, "…to promote through organization and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train themselves in Scout craft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance and kindred virtues, using the methods which are in common use by Boy Scouts."

ERRORS IN THE ABOVE UNSIGNED SECTION:
The street sign for the BSP National Office address says: "Natividad Lopez." The number "181" has not been displayed for several decades.
Scouting was introduced in the Philippines by American individuals, not by the United States, the first in 1910, not four years after the BSA was founded.
The first troops were organised by Americans in the capital area of Manila and its environs, the center and base of social, political, economic, military, and religious activities, not far-off Mindanao.
The Zamboanga troop was organised by Sherman L. Kiser, not Sherman I. Kiser.
Caroline Spencer came to the Philippines to do missionary work among Muslims.[1]
1923 is the founding date of the Boy Scouts of America Philippine Islands Council. 1936 is the official founding date of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines ("official" because the BSP started functioning only in 1938).
President Quezon signed a legislative bill (not issued an act) that became a Commonwealth Act which legally created the Boy Scouts of the Philippines organization, not the Boy Scout movement. Like its parent, the Boy Scouts of America, the BSP was a chartered private organization, until 1991 when it was deemed a "government-controlled corporation" by the Supreme Court.

Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 23:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Hilary Saint George Saunders, The Left Handshake, 1948[edit]

Chris 01:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC) If you can find a way to put this in:

(World War II)

News from the Philippines came in but slowly after the war. The Scouts there suffered great privations and many hardships. On the outbreak of war most Philippine Scouts bad undergone some form of training for emergency services. This they began to use to good effect. In Bataan, for example, they took on the duty of directing the traffic, and on the 27th December, Scout Joson, remaining at his post, was killed in an air raid. Another, Scout Montilla of the 3rd Y.M.C.A. Troop in Manila, had lost his life a fortnight before, thrusting women and children into a shelter during a raid on Cavite.
In general, the Scouts' most urgent duty and that performed most successfully was in helping a terrified population to avoid the extremes of panic and giving special succor to about fifty women and 120 children, the wives and dependents of Philippine soldiers summoned hurriedly to the Colors. Boy Scouts of Dansalan helped these unhappy women and children on their arduous road from their homes to the hills in the north. They moved only a few hours in advance of the Japanese, and eventually reached Liang after traversing malaria-ridden forests and streams teeming with reptiles, leeches and mosquitoes. Their refuge lay at the foot of a mountain surrounded on three sides by forests and on the fourth by a crocodile-infested river. The Scouts built shelters for the women and children and cleared the ground to grow crops. In a few weeks they had transformed this piece of Jungle into a village of nondescript huts, where these refugees lived for many months, succored and looked after by their young protectors. Gradually as life grew more normal even under the occupation, they found their way back to their own homes. But "in that now deserted village you will find spoons, saucers and cooking utensils made from coconut shells, slippers and bags of abaca twine, rows and rows of garden plots now overrun by weeds, and wells dug deep in the earth... all the results of skills learned by boys in Scouting." So writes a Filipino. He goes on to say that in unspectacular but important ways the Scouts throughout the Philippines helped the various Resistance Movements by feeding guerrillas, carrying messages and receiving and distributing supplies landed by American submarines. The most noted in this work was a young Rover, aged nineteen, Jorge Fajardo by name, of Troop 61 of Manila, an expert signaler who maintained communications in Morse with submarines and thus prevented many tons of essential supplies from falling into Japanese hands.
After the liberation the Scouts in the Philippines did what their brothers were doing elsewhere all over the world. They collected food, clothing and medicine for destitute civilians and were used by the Civilian Affairs Units of the United States Army for the orderly distribution of relief. They also collected magazines, books and newspapers for the troops, and took care, by the manufacture of abaca handbags and belts, which the Americans bought eagerly and sent home as souvenirs, to relieve them of as much money as they could, which they devoted to charitable purposes.
By far the most remarkable exploit performed by a Filipino Scout was that of Valerino Abello, a member of Troop 11 of Leyte. As a Scout he had learned signaling, and on the day of the attack on Leyte, this accomplishment was to stand him and the American invading forces in good stead. The Japanese had massed the most formidable of their defenses along the eastern coast of the island and they stretched from the Ambao Mountains to the San Juanico Strait, which divides Leyte from Samar. The defenses included tank traps, pillboxes, slit trenches, barbed wire and individual foxholes, and were manned by a full Japanese division. On the seashore and at certain points in the hills behind, batteries of guns and mortars had been installed.
Having served as a capataz, or foreman, over the Filipino laborers who had been forced to build these defenses, Abello possessed detailed knowledge of their general disposition, and the many strong points they contained. On the 20th October 1944, he was at Telegrafo, near Toloso, when looking out to sea he saw a long line of warships moving into position. A moment later heavy shells began to burst near him and he ran at once to the beach, where he was joined by two comrades, Anterio Junua and Vicente Cononigo. By now the bombardment was at its full height, and large and medium-caliber shells were falling along the defenses. It was obvious that this was the preliminary bombardment not of a raid but of a landing in force.
Abello began to signal, repeating over and over again, "Please let me direct the shelling." The waving flags were presently seen and a destroyer closer in shore than the great ships flashed back, "Come immediately. Waiting." The three men jumped on board a native outrigger canoe and paddled out towards the destroyer. They were closing her when shells from a Japanese battery burst into the water nearby and upset the canoe. They took to the sea, swam towards the destroyer and were dragged, exhausted and dripping, on to her decks. Abello was taken at once to the bridge where, giving the Scout's salute, he said, "I know where every main defensive position on shore is to be found, for I helped to build them." The destroyer signaled to the flagship, and soon Abello, from her bridge, was directing the bombardment. New targets were given to the gunners and, most important of all from the point of view of Abello, Tolosa and the other villages and towns within the defense area were spared the hail of fire which fell upon the beaches. One by one each strong point was shelled in turn, and two hours later the assaulting troops headed by the famous Marines, swept in in their landing craft and set foot on shore.
With the noise of battle roaring, echoing among the palm trees and drowning the voice of the surf on Leyte, let us leave this story of suffering and heroism imposed by war upon half the peoples of the world. For five long years and more their fate was hard, their ordeal grim, their lives a dull pain exchanged at moments for a sharp agony. Alleviation was small, consolation meager. For those in bondage the inevitable ills of life are made sharper and more difficult to bear because the corresponding joys are lacking. Yet their fate would have been harder, their lot more onerous, their lives more hopeless had Boy Scouts not come to their rescue. The tale, plain and unadorned, of what they did has in part been set down. More will presently be told as fresh evidence of what the Scouts accomplished in those stricken countries comes to light. Yet it will never be told in full. Too many, who suffered and received comfort, are now dead and their testimony lies with them in their graves. But enough remains and has been set down to make it possible to maintain with no fear of contradiction that, when the time of testing came, the Scouts and Scouters of Baden-Powell proved not the happy-go-lucky children or the figures of lath and plaster their enemies would have them to be, but boys of true and solid worth, young Paladins with souls of steel and hearts brimming with unselfish devotion.
Nearly twenty-three centuries have passed since certain old men stood upon a stage in Athens cried out that love was unconquerable in battle. Scouts the whole world over provided, in six years of the greatest tribulation, the latest and the clearest proof that those words are true.

Don bosco catholic scouting movement[edit]

I don't think the entry for Don Bosco entry should even show on this article. We'll end up with all the Scouting groups placing descriptions about themselves. Mang Kiko 05:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I have already removed the article. I am very sorry for that. The General 06:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Tagalog translation of the scout oath and law[edit]

The tagalog translation of the scout oath and law should not be translated as it is or literally. The Boy Scouts of the Philippines do have their own set of oath and law; it may be a little bit the same compared to their English counterpart but its content is different. Thanks a lot and god bless BSP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Topeyangad (talkcontribs) 12:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Numbers[edit]

I have heard that the Philippines has the second largest number of scouts (after the USA) and the largest number per capita. Is this true? Can numbers be added to the article, cited of course? Northwestgnome (talk) 17:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Citation not needed[edit]

Citation is not needed to prove that Pres. Marcos was the first Philippine head of state to take the title of Chief Scout. All the reader needs to do is to look at the list of BSP Chief Scouts.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 01:40, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Wrong. Everything in Wikipedia needs to be cited per WP:VERIFY.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Not everything in Wikipedia needs to be cited. For example, citation is not needed to say that Barack Obama is the President of the United States or that Ouagadougou is the capital of Burkina Faso.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 21:23, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Specious argument-both articles are already cited by the first sentence. Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Judgmental argument that misses the point.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 11:49, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Crapmagnet[edit]

Every time I weed out the non-Wikipedia-articled, unreferenced names, someone keeps putting them back. You people need to understand that just because they are notable within BSP does not automatically make them notable for Wikipedia. Please have a good read at WP:NOTABILITY.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

I haven't seen another Wikipedia article so vandalised as this one. The latest attack substitutes "Kelkel Pogi" for "Rodrigo Duterte" as the Chief Scout of the Philippines. "Pogi" is Filipino slang for "handsome." "Kelkel" is obviously some crazy, nonsensical nickname like "Bozo," concocted by someone playacting in buffoon mode.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 15:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

You don't need to explain when you remove vandalism, removing vandalism is a good edit.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:43, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

The Merge[edit]

Now that the article on Chief Scout of the Philippines has been merged with this article, it could not be unfair to say that articles on Chief Scouts of the UK, Ireland, and Hong Kong be merged with their respective main articles.Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 22:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

First, please read Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Second, Hong Kong was merged. Third, look at how well and thoroughly the UK and Ireland articles are written, they're not a trivial list, they are detailed and well researched. Meanwhile, this article is bloated with vanity additions of dozens who are not notable on Wikipedia. This article really needs cleaned up, I keep trying to do so, and you keep filling it up again. Slow down and please read WP:NOTABILITY.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
You have a lot of energy and Scouting knowledge about your country. Why not write some of those missing biographies? Those are much more likely to stay as articles than these lists. Good luck!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Revision as of 03:16, 14 September 2016 112.198.100.30 (→‎Rover advancement program)[edit]

Meanings of edits inserted by 112.198.100.30 on 14 September 2016:

"Poke" = vagina
"Titi" = penis
"Dodo" = breast
"Pwet" = buttocks or anus
"Jakol" = masturbate
The above five quoted words are all Tagalog words.

Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 10:27, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

merge Chief Executive Officers of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines and Presidents of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines[edit]

The main article is suffering from vanity bloat and now content-forking, and could use an experienced Wiki editor to weed it as I have tried vainly to do. Meanwhile, Chief Executive Officers of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines and Presidents of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines need to be merged back here.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:24, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

This article needs protection[edit]

Vandalism of article Boy Scouts of the Philippines:

Date IP address Vandalism
26 August 2016 112.198.72.226 Added “Kelkel Pogi ewwwwww”
26 August 2016 112.198.72.226 Inserted “wtf”
26 August 2016 203.87.133.128 Substituted “Kelkel Pogi” FOR “Rodrigo Duterte”
June 2016 180.191.134.187 Added “Fried Chicken”
9 March 2016 112.198.146.16 Added “MABAHO SI YEM” (meaning “Yem smells bad”).
9 March 2016 112.198.146.16 Inserted “MABAHO SI YEM AT SI KYLE” (meaning “Yem and Kyle smell bad”).
9 March 2016 112.198.146.16 Inserted “MABAHO SI YEM” (meaning “Yem smells bad”).
9 March 2016 112.198.146.16 Inserted “MABAHO” (meaning “smells bad”).
17 November 2015 112.201.144.53 Inserted “masterbaiting” [sic]
12 March 2015 180.191.89.113 Inserted “Lord Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell” as BSP Chief Scout
27 February 2015 180.191.88.14 Inserted “James de los Angeles” as BSP founder
9 January 2015 122.3.141.123 Inserted “Jejomar C. Binay” as BSP Chief Scout
11 December 2014 180.191.88.19 Substituted “Spongebob.png” FOR “Boy Scouts of the Philippines” image
11 December 2014 180.191.88.19 Inserted “General Baden-Powell” as BSP founder
11 December 2014 180.191.88.19 Substituted “James de los Angeles” FOR “Vicente Lim” as BSP founder
1 December 2014 202.78.124.45 Deleted entire Scout Oath
17 November 2014 49.148.0.20 Substituted “BURAT” six times for six Senior Scout ranks. (“Burat” is Tagalog slang for “penis.”)
September 2014 202.92.130.58 Substituted “Palakaibigan” FOR “Mapagkaibigan” in Scout Oath.
12 August 2014 203.215.117.105 Inserted “Paul John” in Scout Oath. Inserted “Lyka” in Senior Scout Code.
8 August 2014 203.87.173.18 Inserted “Malorie and Cindy” in Senior Scout Code.
28 June 2014 180.190.154.45 Substituted “Rey Obarco” FOR “Sherman Kiser”
8 April 2014 203.87.199.198 Substituted “Kalokohan” FOR “Membership/Sea Explorer.” (“Kalokohan” is Tagalog for “foolishness.”)
29 January 2014 121.54.13.50 Inserted “22,714,891” as BSP membership count.
4 December 2013 122.3.5.43 Vandalised Senior Scout Code to produce gibberish:

the Scouttrutr Oath antrud Lartutw tuand rtuthe Seniurtutor Scout mourtutto and slogan. I will urturube fartrumtruriliar with thrturturue Constitution of the Phurilitururururppines especially my ururights and obligations as a Filipino rur I will hgjkyugiulhui share in my responsibilities to my houtruyrtume, scrtururhool, fytchurch, neighborhood, community and cohrruntry. ur I wurill durumen in the spirit of the Scout rur I wrill rwork to preserve our ur. ru I will do everyrruhing in my rowrer to passru a ubetterrPhilippines touru urther nrut

12 October 2013 49.144.227.81 Inserted “J_H_ AA_ON S_SO_ MA_A_A”
6 October 2013 120.28.127.250 Inserted “Tang Ina.” (“Tang Ina” is shortening for unprintable common curse “putang ina,” literally meaning “whore mother.”)
19 September 2013 107.213.90.23 Substituted “Tiger Scout,” “Cub Scout,” “Webelo Scout” FOR “Young Usa” “Growing Usa” and “Leaping Usa” respectively.
19 September 2013 107.213.90.23 Inserted “Cookie” and “Piez.”
5 September 2013 176.202.37.96 Inserted “2013, a new scouting will be held in PISQ”
3 September 2013 180.194.30.200 Inserted “.....:)”
29 August 2013 121.97.68.60 False info: Substituted “Justin Marcos Andrada” FOR “Wendel E. Avisado” as BSP Secretary.
29 August 2013 121.97.68.60 False info: Substituted “Justin Marcos Andrada” FOR “Jejomar Binay” as Vice President of the Philippines.
29 August 2013 121.97.68.60 Substituted “Tenderfeet” FOR “Tenderfoot.” Inserted “rich” in Scout Law.
29 August 2013 121.97.68.60 Inserted “Mayaman” in Scout Law. (“Mayaman” is Tagalog for “rich.”)
29 July 2013 112.204.210.75 Vandalised Scout Oath to read:
to do my duty to God and my country,“the Philippines”
to help other people at all times “at any place”
to keep myself physically strong,“healthy and Fit”
27 May 2013 121.54.22.125 Substituted “Young DUHA,” “Growing DUHA,” “Leaping DUHA,” FOR “Young Usa,” “Growing Usa,” and “Leaping Usa” respectively.
26 February 2013 121.97.26.20 Added “pervert” in Scout Law.
15 February 2013 121.54.49.11 Added “hugawan” to Scout Law.
23 November 2012 125.60.231.179 Substituted “Alliance in motion” FOR “Sherman Kiser.”
26 October 2012 112.205.206.127 Deleted Senior Scouting ranks.
15 October 2012 180.194.245.219 Inserted “anak ko!” in Senior Scout Code. (“Anak ko!” is Tagalog for “my child!”)
12 September 2012 112.205.89.156 Inserted “LAGUNERO SCOUTS”
12 September 2012 112.205.89.156 Inserted “Tae Scouts” (“Tae” is unprintable Tagalog for “feces,” equivalent of English “shit.”)
4 September 2012 110.55.4.61 Inserted “pota ina.”
3 July 2012 120.28.150.142 False info: Substituted “Explorer,” “Pathfinder,” “Tenderfoot,” “Second Class,” and “Boy Scouting is for boys 7 to 12 years of age” FOR “Second Class,” “First Class,” “Explorer,” “Pathfinder,” and “Boy Scouting is for boys 10 to 12 years of age” respectively.
16 February 2012 112.202.74.141 Substituted “Bryan Pintor” FOR “George J. Fischer.”
23 January 2012 180.190.138.236 Substituted “a bully” FOR “Trustworthy.”
23 January 2012 180.190.138.236 Substituted “to do my duty to chona” FOR “to do my duty to God.”
23 January 2012 180.190.138.236 Substituted “door man,” “ship master,” and “eggol” FOR “Outdoorsman,” “Venturer or Air Venturer or Sea Venturer,” and “Eagle” respectively.
1 January 2012 216.226.72.195 Deleted entire Scout Oath and substituted: “to all of the boys scouts in the world greetings from russian crew nordic hawk a happy new year from th buttom of my heart...and i wish you have a good life and good health...god bless us all!”
23 September 2011 180.191.103.144 Inserted “Fuck”
23 September 2011 180.191.103.144 Inserted “dfsadasfaafsafa”
15 September 2011 199.68.199.138 Inserted “Jakolero” and “horny.” (“Jakolero” is Tagalog slang for “masturbator.”)
15 September 2011 112.210.202.212 Inserted “craig” three times.
15 September 2011 112.210.202.212 Deleted entire Scout Oath, and substituted “pogi si cjl,” “gwapo si cjl,” and “cjl is handsome.”
1 August 2011 125.60.248.144 Deleted entire Scout Law, and substituted: “KAB scout law A Kab scout follows his elders A Kab scout helps his kawan A kab scout makes himself useful”
10 July 2011 112.204.25.182 Substituted “n.y or new york” FOR “New York.”
8 July 2011 112.201.185.220 Deleted entire Senior Scout Code, and substituted: “i wont do my duty good!!!”
3 July 2011 180.191.114.151 Added “Bold text” to Section title “The Scout Law (English)”
22 June 2011 121.54.54.37 Deleted section title: “Ang Panunumpa sa Scout (Tagalog)”
31 January 2011 122.3.161.214 Inserted “Pogi si Baden-Powell”
3 December 2010 124.105.123.186 False info: inserted “Anita C. Alivio” as BSP Chief Scout.
3 December 2010 124.105.123.186 Substituted “Laging Gutom” FOR Scout Motto “Laging Handa.” (“Laging Gutom” is Tagalog for “always hungry.”)
25 November 2010 203.87.178.22 In section Philippine Council-BSA, inserted: “lord stephenson smyth baden powell was the founder of boy scouting,therefore he should be reminisced.understand?”
8 November 2010 121.54.97.222 Under section The 5 Sections of BSP, added: “?????????????????????????????????????”.
21 October 2010 58.69.211.143 Substituted “Jose Rizal” FOR “Jose Rizal Pangilinan” as BSP Secretary.
18 October 2010 112.201.86.14 Under section Scout Oath and Law, inserted: “baho utot imo lola” (meaning: “Your grandmother’s fart smells bad”).
10 July 2010 121.1.53.2 Substituted “trainee,” “private,” “Second troop,” and “First troops” FOR “Membership,” “Tenderfoot,” “Second Class,” and “First Class” respectively.
18 October 2008 119.94.111.100 Inserted “Malibog” under Scout Law. (“Malibog” is Tagalog for “libidinous.”)
1 February 2007 203.87.190.238 Cleared entire page, and substituted “ang boy scouts ay cute yun lang”

Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 07:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

  • This level of vandalism in no way justifies protection, which is used for a short while to stop a flood of vandalism. I am sure there are a number of editors who can handle the level you have documented. --Bduke (Discussion) 03:28, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Philippine Jamborees[edit]

There should be a section on these.[1]--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:52, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ John S. Wilson (1959), Scouting Round the World. First edition, Blandford Press. p. 251