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Current status: Good article

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2022[edit]

This is Wikipedia while using pronouns that make the person feel better socially may be acceptable. Biologically Chelsea Manning is a man and should be edited to reflect that. 2601:192:100:1A96:4BD:B0EE:1A9:6C86 (talk) 03:09, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

i second this Iamsuperspeed (talk) 20:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

if the person the article is about uses certain pronouns, then those pronouns need to be used. if she identifies as a girl and uses she/her, then that needs to be used in the article about her. KingcCake (talk) 05:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pronouns[edit]

Looking at her Twitter account, it seems that Manning uses both feminine (she/her/hers) and epicene (they/them/theirs) pronouns. It seems like the standard if a person uses more than one set is to make a note of it early on, and then pick one set to refer to them for consistency, but I just wanted to bring it up here first before doing anything/let someone know if they wanted to change it. FamAD123 (talk) 01:07, 28 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

for the sake of it being easy to read, sure sticking with one set is probably best. but the other set(s) should still be used as well when talking about her KingcCake (talk) 05:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Personal description[edit]

Shouldn't "convincted spy" be added to her description? It would balance the "whistleblower" which seems to be more of an opinion. Saxophool (talk) 00:58, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Saxophool, do any reliable sources refer to her as a "spy"? Plenty refer to her as a "whistleblower". – Muboshgu (talk) 01:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, that is my point. Everywhere she is called a whistleblower but she was also convincted of espionage. Those who are convincted of espionage are called spies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxophool (talkcontribs) 01:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not so. We even have an entire section on "non-spies" arrested for espionage. See Espionage#Use against non-spies. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Obama[edit]

Wikipedia needs to edit the information about Chelsea Manning to include that it was Barack Hussein Obama who commuted Chelsea Manning sentence by 28 years because for some reason they left that information out... Dawn Mauro (talk) 13:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

it's right there in the introduction: "On January 17, 2017, President Barack Obama commuted Manning's sentence to nearly seven years of confinement". --Qcomp (talk) 13:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2022[edit]

Chelsea's deadname should NOT be displayed on a public platform. This needs to be fixed ASAP. Rosemary Mccoy (talk) 00:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Not done: because she was notable under her former name. See MOS:DEADNAME for the policy and Elliot Page for a similar example. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:10, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

maybe don't use old pictures though? or SOMEBODY ask her about it if no one has yet. KingcCake (talk) 05:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Twitch Career[edit]

Chelsea's Twitch career, while insignificant compared to other acts of hers, isn't insignificant as a Twitch career - is it worth being included somewhere on this page, especially with collaborations with streamers such as Keffals? If nothing else, should she have the Twitch Streamer infobox included? Inkublu(talk) 22:48, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Additional note - I believe she has also streamed with AOC and Ilhan Omar, which adds notability (22:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inkublu (talkcontribs)

Lead descriptor[edit]

Should Manning be described as a "whistleblower" or a "leaker"? Pinging @BATTLECRUISER OPERATIONAL and Newimpartial, who've been involved in back-and-forth editing about the descriptor. I'm leaning toward 'whisteblower', which I know to be ubiquitous in sources, and I'm leaning against BO's "legal definition of whistleblower" argument, though I'd be glad to hear more about it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

First off, thank you for bequething to me the nickname "BO" :). I will try to do an objective dive into the label use and will present here, after I have some time to do this. BATTLECRUISER OPERATIONAL (talk) 19:11, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lol, I probably should have thought that one through a bit more. 'BCO' might be a little less problematic. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2022 Guardian interview[edit]

The recent article:

Brockes, Emma (22 October 2022). "Chelsea Manning: 'I struggle with the so-called free world compared with life in prison'". The Guardian. Retrieved 22 October 2022.

says, quoting Manning:

... there are a number of diagnoses on her Wikipedia page that are misidentified PTSD. “Gender dysphoria’s not on the radar any more; it’s been treated, or some would go so far as to say ‘cured’. All the other diagnoses were just untreated, unidentified, complex post traumatic stress syndrome. That is my sole diagnosis.”

I'm not clear to what in the article this refers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree, not quite sure what to do with that. Someone could always try asking her on Twitter? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 19:00, 22 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

misgendering-ish[edit]

shouldn't we change it from son to daughter and he/him to she/her? even when talking about her pre-transition and pre-coming out. whether she was out or not at the time that's being spoken about, shouldn't we get the gender stuff right? KingcCake (talk) 05:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Where specifically are you seeing these misgenderings? Are they inside direct quotes? Funcrunch (talk) 06:16, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]