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Brahmins: Please re-write article in realistic manner (not philosophical)[edit]

As per Dorothy M. Figueira, brahmins exploited lower classes. In fact he says upto the extent that "Vedas express nothing but brahmin greed". (http://books.google.co.in/books?id=AqRKPpKzyKwC&printsec=frontcover&dq=brahmin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SvCuU6LgLMOMuATgnoKAAw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=brahmin&f=false)

Reference: Aryans, Jews, Brahmins: Theorizing Authority through Myths of Identity. By Dorothy M. Figueira. SUNY press.

Please "brahmins" dont take me wrong. But, it is no myth that, higher castes have always exploited lower classes. From denying shudras entry to temples, to taking money from all other communities for rituals (which has no meaning say Ashwamegh yagya.)

Brahmins were no way Godly people as explained in the article. I request Editors to make the article more realistic than philosophical. Also, one should write article in the third person form. (like "they say earth is flat" and "earth is flat" has entirely two meanings, so please improve the article.

We have to understand, most of the divine things are myths and they should be depicted as such.

Query: Under heading Practices[edit]

It is written that, "Male members of all Brahmin sects wear the Yagnopaveetham (Hindi:जनेऊ or sacred thread) that is a symbol of initiation to the Gayatri recital. This ritual is often referred to as Upanayana. This marks the learning of the Gayatri hymn. Brahmin sects also generally identify themselves as belonging to a particular Gotra, a classification based on patrilineal descent, which is specific for each family and indicates their origin"

This practice is observed in all Varnas (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/618595/upanayana). I dont see the reason of specifically being mentioned in this article. Sorry but i dont get a point, why it is referred only in Brahmins article.

Kirtimaansyal (talk) 09:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

It is mentioned in this article because it applies to Brahmins. Nowhere is it mentioned that only Brahmins are required to follow it and mention it in their Wikipedia article. If it doesn't appear in articles of other castes and your own, it doesn't mean we have to take down ours. Add it to whichever articles you want to but PLEASE DON'T whine about it here. Tejasc1990 (talk) 14:41, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Utkala Brahmin[edit]

Utkala Brahmin simply means a Brahmin from Orissa state. Also the article has no references and information thus, is not reliable. Notability as stand alone article is doubtful Mahensingha (Talk) "Thanx n Regards" 13:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

It is reasonable to assume that there are Brahmins in Orissa, so even though the article is unsourced it would be ok to redirect it to here. - Sitush (talk) 01:46, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Some obvious things[edit]

This article should address some of the basic things that articles like Sikh cover. Like how do observant Brahmins look? What do they dress like? I've heard for example that male Brahmins grow out their hair long like Sikhs and wear some kind of thread on their body. What does the typical female Brahmin look like? Somebody who knows these things should add them so that the philosophical stuff that has been covered to an undue extent can then be cleaned up. --107.167.103.222 (talk) 10:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Provided that we do not stereotype, of course. My suspicion is that, aside from basics such as the sacred thread, there may well be little commonality. - Sitush (talk) 05:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
The thread (janeyu) is not specific to Brahmins and a lot of other castes also wear it. A long time ago before Muslim invasion, Brahmins were simply people who pursued education, ran universities and maintained libraries. They may or may not have been philosophers - which was dominated by sadhus ans ascetics. In such times Brahmins have been described as people who were bald with single braid/choti, wearing minimalistic (looking kind of like Gandhi). No such stereotype exists now, though some orthodox Brahmins may frown upon rest of them for not following the tradition.--115.113.118.50 (talk) 10:52, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Bhumihar claims of Brahmin status[edit]

Please do not insert content relating to the Bhumihar in this article. They are not Brahmins, except in their own heads. This has been discussed time and again across countless Wikipedia articles, including at Talk:Bhumihar itself. Repeated reinstatement of inaccurate material and defiance of our attitude towards consensus on Wikipedia constitutes disruptive editing. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 05:29, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


Response to the editor (Naved2015)[edit]

It’s very much clear from the editing that the person (i.e., Naved2015) -

(1) either does not have any idea about the subject. Nor does he seem to put any efforts to acquire information about the subject from any authentic reference source, or
(2) has tried to distort the concerned pages just out of his/ her prejudices or disgruntlement against the subject, or
(3) has made an attempt knowingly or unknowingly to warp the image of the subject community at the behest of someone else.

Since there is no credible indication of importance I, therefore, would undo the editing done by Naved2015.

Lomasha (talk) 07:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)