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is appropriate to list patents at the treatment area[edit]

numerous investigative drugs are described at usto.gov (or any patent search engine) some of the patents may describe pateint outcome pct. is this appropriate to describe at the article so those seeking new cures or treatments are more fully aware of the possibilities

Brain tumor photo[edit]

There is a photo of breat cancer instead of brain cancer...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spydercanopus (talkcontribs) .

  • It is breast cancer metastatic to the brain. -- Samir धर्म 07:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Would this be a better caption? CT scan of brain showing a breast cancer metastatized to the left parietal lobe in the peri-ventricular area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimtpat (talkcontribs) 20:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Brain Tumors are serious.

drflo[edit]

Fantastic expansion! Could you provide PMID numbers for the references? JFW | T@lk 14:04, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

jfd[edit]

thank you, and also thanks for adding the PMIDs! There's still work to be done on this article and especially the references - I'll tackle this as soon as I get a chance. I'm also thinking about adding a few images. I don't mind joining Wikiproject "clinical medicine", thanks for the invite. DrFlo1 19:15, May 23, 2005 (EDT)

Deaths[edit]

Do brain tumors always result in death?:P 64.136.27.226 23:40, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

No. In fact, a benign tumor is very unlikely to cause death. Many times they can be surgically removed.

Most "benign" (low-grade) gliomas tend to transform into malignant ones (anaplastic degeneration), and their complete surgical removal is extremely difficult, to say the least, due to their infiltrative nature. Whether surgery has any beneficial efect in slowing down anaplastic degeneration and extending survival time is far from being proven. On the other side, many extra-axial tumors, such as meningeomas, can be surgically cured.

I believe that the user above was asking if malignant brain tumors always result in death. I was wondering the same thing, because I knew of two people who had brain tumors, and they both died as a result. Is this always the case? Scorpionman 00:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm getting a really mixed set of messages from this. I've got the one side that says that many brain tumors are treatable and yet theres another, well represented in the article, that seem to have a very pessimistic view. I'm not really sure how serious a brain tumor inherantly is. Can anybody reconcile this, I'd really appreciate a solid answer. Blademaster 02:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Any brain tumor is inherantly serious and life threatening. However brain tumors (even malignant ones) do not automatically mean death. It depends on the type - I am a medulloblastoma survivor and there are many others. Glioblastoma Multiforme however almost always results in death. I am aware that there are a very small subgroup of glioblastoma multiforme patients who survive for longer than 5 years.But this is in general the exception,as the 5 year survival rate for GBM is only 5-15%,depending on age,karnofsky performance score,and treatment applied.Immunize (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

if Blademaster is getting confused I am beyond that, because I had a non-cancerous brain tumor which the one I had normally is found in a post-mortem examination, which mathematically the Colloid Cyst brain tumor (which was left out of this stub btw) I had effects 3 in 1 million per year and most of those "three" per Million per year there are the few like me that are alive to talk about them (533 of us world wide). There something about a statement that Non-Cancerous (benign) brain tumors can transform into being a cancerous (malignant)tumor strikes me as being questionable and I would need a reference (ref/ref) showing that statement as being factual, and then I would still need to have a sit down with Kieth Black to see if the reference was also true. The only insight I can add to this is when a Brain Tumor is first discovered in a CT or an MRI the patient is treated as if the brain tumor is cancerous until the tumor can be biopsied and it is tested to prove other wise. I understand this page lacks a CT scan of a Brain Tumor, I uploaded one to the Wiki Commons of a <Colloid Cyst 1cm brain tumor> GIF that shows all 30 slides progressively revealing and the Tumor I had which is highlighted on it.Timeholder (talk) 04:22, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

What is this?[edit]

Brain cancer develops from overexposure to watermelons, as well as taxis. One who spends over 1 hour near any of those substances will automatically develop this condition. A troll?

Update: The first symptom of brain cancer is the development of excessively sweaty armpits. Followed by chronic lying. The person becomes unable to tell the truth about anything. Constipation is the third major sign. Should anyone begin to notice theses symptoms they are advised to see their closest drug dealer immediately. There is no hope for you so you may as well not remember any of it.

Okay, someone who knows a LOT about Brain tumors, please clean up this article from the troll.

You did it pretty well yourself! Next time try this. JFW | T@lk 01:25, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Someone said that watermelons and taxis cause brain cancer? LOL! Scorpionman 00:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

From someone who just lost their father to a GBM on the 4th of July, this article gave of some great info or leads to look into. But I see now someone had to deface the article or make jokes. Some of these comments are just plain stupid, and hurtful. Brain tumors are not a joke, some are life threating or a death sentence. July 16th, 2007 <vickster>

Durova[edit]

Durova (talk · contribs) inserted a paragraph that distinguished "brain cancer" from "brain tumor". Both terms refer to tumors in the brain, although "brain cancer" would refer to malignancy, while "tumor" can refer to both. It is not true that "brain cancer" is used exclusively for cerebral metastasis.

I also removed the assertion that brain tumors now kill more children than leukaemia[1]. Without a source, this cannot be sustained. JFW | T@lk 03:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

It takes a somewhat careful reading and wording to state this correctly: The United States diagnoses more total cases of childhood leukemia each year. Due to higher mortality rates, brain tumors are responsible for a greater number of deaths.
http://www.tbts.org/itemDetail.asp?categoryID=383&itemID=16635
http://www.btan.org/education.php
Durova 01:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

But those URLs mix cerebral metastasis and primary brain tumors. Confusing. JFW | T@lk 02:38, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

It's been a couple of years since this was an issue in my family and I was unable to relocate the original article. Keep an eye open for the subject, please? Common sense suggests that metastatic brain tumors are a minimal cause of pediatric diagnoses. Durova 15:15, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

http://www.cbtrus.org/reports//2005-2006/2006report.pdf has new data CBTRUS: An estimated 43,800 new cases of primary non-malignant and malignant brain and central nervous system tumors are expected to be diagnosed in the United States in 2005.

The problem is that this includes some other types of BRAIN cancers...CBTRUS (Central Brain Tumor Registry of the United States) incidence rates and estimated new cases include all primary malignant and non-malignant tumors of the brain, central nervous system, pituitary and pineal glands, and olfactory tumors of the nasal cavity. Chrispounds 23:49, 30 January 2006

Vandals![edit]

We have vandals for the brain tumors, by the name of Tomlillis.

Ban him/her from Wikipedia immediately! Scorpionman 00:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

This article is unreadable.[edit]

It has too many links, also why isn't there any photos or picture illustrating what a brain tumor looks like?--80.227.100.62 07:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Merging Medulloblastoma w. Brain Tumor[edit]

I like having a separate small article with particulars. The big articles are pretty intimidating somtimes. Frankly, I'm reading this because a friends child has one, and I don't want to have to deal with the big picture. I want to know what it is, how it progresses and so forth and the Medulloblastoma article did a good job of this for me. If I want more of an overview I can always easily get to the brain tumor article. In some ways it's easier to get a small article right, and if it ever gets big with details (as opposed to overmuch repetition of the brain tumor article) then it does deserve it's own article. I guess that's the question, how much duplication is there? I'm poorly equipped to answer this question because I've not taken time with the brain tumor article. None the less, at this moment I vote to keep them separate articles. --kop 23:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that medulloblastoma merits a separate article from brain tumors. There is significant detail that is unique to medulloblastoma. Also, brain tumors are an extremely broad category of medicine, and subcategorization is essential. -Michael Miller, Dartmouth Medical School

Add a link?[edit]

Hi I would like to request that you add a link to my website: Clinical Trials and Noteworthy Treatments For Brain Tumors at virtualtrials.com

We are a 501(c)(3) non-profit public charity, and our website is the most complete resource for brain tumor information. We have about 40 hours of video of brain tumor subjects, many original articles as well as a database of treatent options. Check out the site!Amusella 12:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Treatment /prognosis section needs updating[edit]

Hi Overall, pretty good job on the article... but the section on treatment and prognosis is now incorrect and badly needs updating. For example, for glioblastomas, there IS now a standard treatment protocol that is surgery with maximal amount of tumor removal and insertion of gliadel wafer (if possible... as there are a few situations where surgery and/or Gliadel shouldn't be used), followed by a combination of Radiation and chemotherapy using Temodar, followed by chemotherapy with Temodar. You menioned a prognosis of months. With the above protocol, it is actually over a year. http://virtualtrials.com/news3.cfm?item=2555&showtext=y However, there are many clinical trials going on now where average survival is over 2 years and some patients have been going for many years with no sign of recurrence. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2764420022542063525 So there is finally some hope at beating this. And finally - I am new to Wikipedia, but whenever I read something as important as this article, I like to know who wrote it and what affiliations (and possible conflicts of interest) they have. Why aren't Wikipedia articles signed by who wrote them? And who wrote this one?

Al Musella, DPM President Musella Foundation For Brain Tumor Research & Information, Inc virtualtrials.com 888-295-4740 Amusella 12:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

"It is alleged that mobile phones (AE: cell phones) might be a cause of brain tumors, according to one report.[4]"[edit]

A newer study with much bigger sample size disputes this claim. [2]

Effects[edit]

Call me an idiot, but I cannot find anything in this article that says anything about the effects of brain tumors/cancer(s). It talks about the symptoms (sudden epilectic seizures in people without a history of epilepsy, etc.), but not about the effects. For example, could it, I dunno, spread to certain parts of the brain and disrupt certain functions?

I'm sorry. My own mother had cancer when I was in fourth grade, but I was seven years old, and it was cervical cancer. I don't know very much about cancer or the actual science of the human brain (I know a few things about synapses and such, but not very much), and even the symptoms paragraph may as well be in Latin.

I'm trying to dissect the paragraph about symptoms. Apparently, intercranial hypertension is something that its Wikipedia article does not actually explain, but instead gives the symptoms and effects of. It can cause obesity, etc., but does it last, and how does it pertain to the effects of a malignant brain tumor? (I'm writing something where the protagonist's mother is dying of brain cancer. I am not going to write something as serious as that without correct, in-depth information.) Clearly brain swelling would be bad, but.... What would that cause? A brain tumor can cause intracranial hemorrhage, which can crush delicate brain tissue.

What I really need to know is what lasting effects a brain tumor could have. Could it make my character's mother incapable of speech and other functions that may make her incapable to take care of her daughter (she's a single parent, and my character is a minor. You can see why I need this information.)? Stars in the Night Sky 02:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

A brain tumor can make the patient incapable of pretty much everything dependent on its location as far as I know. if it's on the left side of the brain, the patient may lose the ability to speak. There may also be weakness or paralysis of one side of the body (hemiparesis/hemiplegia), incontinence, gradually lowering intelligence and so on. I'm not a doctor nor somebody else who really knows anything about brain tumours, but my father died of a glioblastoma, so I do know a little bit.--84.144.102.137 15:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Can Brain Damage Be located in the lobe part o the brain? if so does it mess up the emotions and the reactions of the person ? If u know the answer plz email me at kingdomhearts2k5@hotmail.com THx a bunch

Brain tumors in babies and children[edit]

Could someone please rough out a section on which brain tumors are more common in babies and children, than in adults? --Una Smith 03:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The article currently includes this: In 2000 approximately 2.76 children per 100,000 were affected by a CNS tumor in the United States. This rate has been increasing and by 2005 was 3.0 children per 100,000. This needs a source. Crucially important here is the question: does "rate" refer to incidence or to prevalence? Prevalence reflects incidence plus survival, hence an increase may be good news, reflecting increased survival. Also, does the data reflect earlier and/or more frequent diagnosis of brain tumors that previously would have been undetected? --Una Smith (talk) 22:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Long Term Cell Phone Use Linked to Brain Tumors[edit]

[[i am dr. balraj my email id sameerverma2009@gmail.com my cell no.9911739308 i am from india http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/health/sfl-rxcell01feb01,0,7105692.story]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.18.202.245 (talk) 10:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Nitpick[edit]

The correct spelling is "tumour". "Tumor" is the american spelling. — NRen2k5(TALK), 11:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (spelling) --Ysangkok (talk) 11:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Writing problems[edit]

I'm not good with this whole wikipedia thing, so my apologies for 'doing it wrong.' But I noticed this, and believe it is not good practice for wikipedia. "I commonly hear that the eye doctor is the first one to make the diagnosis - because when they look in your eyes, they can sometimes see signs of increased intracranial pressure. This must be investigated." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.155.100 (talk) 12:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC) The optic signs of increased intracranial pressure are papilledema and unequal pupils.While they may indicate a brain tumor,other causes of intracranial pressure,may cause these symptoms as well.Immunize (talk) 20:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Why isn't there a cause/risk factors section?[edit]

Answer: please write one. --Una Smith (talk) 22:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

For another answer, cf. Talk:Brain tumor#Causes infra. JoergenB (talk) 19:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Possible copyright violation[edit]

The list in the "signs and symptoms" section is copied from [3]. Originally added by anonymous user: [4]. Since the owner of the source page (Amusella) has used his username in previous edits, it seems unlikely the information was added by him. Sho Uemura (talk) 15:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


I am the copyright owner, and I give permission to use anything on my website, virtualtrials.com on wikipedia. The article mentioned is probably the best one on symptoms and is the backed up by a large survey (3,800+) brain tumor patients. BTW: I did not add that link, but there is a lot of useful information on my website that should replace most of the stuff that is on Wikipedia. For example, Wikipedia doesn't even list the approved treatments for brain tumors. Amusella (talk) 14:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid your site won't meet WP:MEDRS. The article certainly needs a lot of changes, and you are very welcome to join in the process. You would need to follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials to allow use of material from your site, but it would need to be fully backed up by MEDRS. Johnbod (talk) 18:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Classification[edit]

WHO 2007 classification - discussed doi:10.1097/WCO.0b013e328312c3a7 JFW | T@lk 23:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Broken ref[edit]

The section Brain_Tumor#Signs_and_symptoms has a broken stray ref in the introduction para, can some editor look into it? Bluptr (talk) 17:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Vesicular stomatitis virus[edit]

I find it odd that an entire paragraph should be devoted to an entirely experimental treatment option. If anything, I think we should have a paragraph on the different areas of current research, and VSV could be one of them. Until them, I would suggest to delete or drastically shorten this paragraph. Anybody with me? Audionaut (talk) 13:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


You are right. Either list all - or the more important ones, or list none.. don't just pick one.

Wikipedia has become a trusted source and visitors looking for brain tumor information may fixate on this one treatment thinking wikipedia must think it is the most important treatment.. but it is not.

I am thinking of treatments like neuradiab, novocure device, vaccines and targeted therapies.

If you can't add them to this article, at least link to the most important websites. You missed virtualtrials.com and included relatively trivial websites. Musella (talk) 02:52, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Left and right[edit]

I'm not related in anyway to the medicine. I can't understand how the left hemisphere of the brain (L) is located at the right of the posterior of the head (P)... Is the picture incorrect or am I very wrong somehow?KenyaSong (talk) 19:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

We may well be looking at the image from the "wrong" side of the film. The possibility that you're looking at a mirror image is why these films contain the "L" and "P" marks. The person reading the film has a 50-50 chance of putting a film on the light box back-to-front on the first try. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

You guys have NFI do you? All CT and MRI slices in the axial plane are oriented that way, because you look at them as though looking upwards from the patient's feet. Thus the patient's left is always on the right of the screen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.170.35 (talk) 09:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's very US-oriented[edit]

Aren't there brain tumours in other countries? Who's got some data? Tony (talk) 12:33, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Any idea about the causes of these tumors?[edit]

The article lacks any discussion on the causes. 98.14.223.69 (talk) 13:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Nobody knows. There may be different causes for different types of tumors. Ionizing radiation is thought to be one cause of some (perhaps only a very small proportion) brain tumors, but basically the cause is unknown. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
For another answer, cf. Talk:Brain tumor#Causes infra. JoergenB (talk) 19:08, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Causes[edit]

I was surprised at not finding any discussion of causes (alleged or confirmed) in the article. I was more surprised when I found a quotation with criticism of alleged cause findings on this talk page, namely, as the section name [[Talk:Brain tumor#"It is alleged that mobile phones (AE: cell phones) might be a cause of brain tumors, according to one report.[4]"]]. Continuing, I found two talk page sections, Talk:Brain tumor#Why isn't there a cause/risk factors section? and Talk:Brain tumor#Any idea about the causes of these tumors? asking for a causes section, with short answers amounting to "Write one yourself" and "Because no causes are known", respectively.

I investigated the history - using the first two quoted sections for time bounds - and soon found the truth. This actually should be somewhat embarrasing for the serious editors of the page: The section Causes was removed by blatant vandalism almost three years ago, and never was restored.

Actually, what happened was two successive acts of vandalism, replacing sections with similar nonsense. However, only the latter vandalism was reverted. Later, the nonsense replacing the Causes section was removed by another editor.

This is completely explicable bona fide editing mistakes. What I do not understand is why no-one missed the section!

I'm going to restore the old Causes section. I don't think it is ideal. I think that sources should be improved, or claims withdrawn; but this should be done by ordinary editing. Due to the mistake, we just missed three years of editing; so there's some work ahead... JoergenB (talk) 18:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I dug a little more into the history. The present Causes section was mainly contibuted here by DrFlo1 (talk · contribs), who both here and elsewhere gave an impression of really knowing what (s)he was talking about. There were also a number of references added. Later, their format was changed to web accessiblility; but since I'm not affiliated to any subscriber, I can't read them. If someone with access could check them, in order to see if either one is a source for any of the claims in this section, that person might make a relevant reference in the section. Likewise, there might be references at the articles Vinyl chloride, Ionising radiation, Tumor suppressor gene, Von Hippel-Lindau syndrome, Multiple endocrine neoplasia, and Neurofibromatosis. (Personally, I don't doubt that DrFlo1 had reasons to mention all these factors; nevertheless, some general or specific references would be advantageous.)
The two last sentences were added by other users later. The claim about aspartame really ought to be verified; it was added here, as one of only two contributions from an uninlogged IP. As for the connection with cell phones, there is both a reference and a link to a page about the controversy; but I think that there has come more material, both pro and contra, during the missed three years; there is some reference to this supra. It might be worth updating. JoergenB (talk) 11:15, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

merge activated[edit]

Mergecsection moved here

Malignant brain tumor was recently created. I don't see anything in it that isn't appropriate for inclusion here, and having everything in one place is a service for our readers. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. Wikipedia has been in need of a separate article devoted only to malignant brain tumors for some time. Immunize (talk) 00:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree with WhatamIdoing; it makes more sense to keep this stuff together in one article. Why send readers to multiple articles to read about highly related things? PDCook (talk) 01:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Merge it -- no reason to have two separate articles. Jrtayloriv (talk) 01:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
If the two were merged, there would be a solid basis for a very comprehensive article where readers do not have to navigate to separate pages in order to learn about brain tumors. Tyrol5 [Talk] 20:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Merge per Pdcook. Renaissancee (talk) 01:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks like the consensus is to merge the two. Could someone uninvolved close this and someone get the job done? Tyrol5 [Talk] 21:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I have taken both articles off-line into files and I will make a new merged article. and publish it shortly so that historic editors can make comments before publication. Would users please refrain from making changes so that there modifications don't get lost. Thank you--DerekvG (talk) 14:48, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I will take into account the remarks that have been made on this page. futhermore I invite some of the contributors here to help me wikifying and grammatical correction of my language, I'm not a primary native english speaker (it was a second language) please leave a comment on my talk page --DerekvG (talk) 13:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I've made a new content for braintumor : a merge of the malignant brain tumor and braintumor pages please read & revieuw the old page is archived here user:DerekvG/sandbox/old_braintumor--DerekvG (talk) 18:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

there might still be some typo's and problems with references but i tried to make a page that reflects 2 things a) the contributions or earlier editors, soem overview info for non-medical users like myslef to gather some comprehension of the brain tumor and references to further reading and basic concepts underneath. --DerekvG (talk) 19:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Tumor = abnormal growth of cells?[edit]

No, it doesn't. An " is not automatically a tumor, an abnormal growht of cells for instance could be hyperplasia, which isn't neoplastic at all. Seriously most of the science in this article is downright poor, It needs some serious going over by somebody who has some basic pathology teaching. If it's not done when I go on holidays in December I'll have a crack at it, but seriously, sheeeesh, most of the info is so bad at the moment it would benefit from being taken down while it's worked on, so it doesn't misinform the people who read it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.170.35 (talk) 09:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I would like to know wether this is not a question of semantics : are the following statements both true

  • If not all "abnormal growth of cells" are "tumors"
  • while all "tumors" belong to the category "abnormal growht of cells"

then it may be fairly concluded that the statement "a tumor is an abnormal growth of cells" is correct, which is what I conclude from the tumor wiki-article, because according to tumor the meaning of "tumor" is equivalent to "neoplasm". In that case the statement here is correct in the -plasia articles there is a box which allows people to check out the other forms --DerekvG (talk) 11:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

"brain-lemma"?[edit]

what the **** is a "brain-lemma"? I've just come off a 9 week neurosurg rotation and am pretty sure somebody just made this term up since I've never heard it before. Unless it's another monged up americanism it looks like whoever wrote this article just pulled words out of their proverbial. I've been told never to use wiki as any kind of medical resource before, and now, I can see 100% why. Not impressive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.170.35 (talk) 09:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

a lemma is a wikpedia article, it might be worth you while to geat aquainted with what exactly is going on here... --DerekvG (talk) 16:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm only a casual reader of Wikipedia, but I've never seen lemma used in that context before. I'm familiar with its usual definition in terms of proofs, and "brain-lemma" had me completely flummoxed too. The sentence, as written, is just confusing. (For that matter, why the sudden shift to first person?) 67.220.7.43 (talk) 22:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
first person shift (bad habit of commercial writing
BTW would you mind registering (please look at the (talk)-page--DerekvG (talk) 23:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

This is an extremely poorly written article[edit]

I'm not going to pretend to be any Wikipedia editing pro, but this article has some of the poorest quality writing I've ever seen on such a serious topic. It's meandering, full of bad grammar, and composed like a high school book report. Can somebody PLEASE take the lead in shaping this up?

Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).
Wikipedia needs people like you, not just editing experts. If you do whatever you can to help (no matter how small that may seem), it will help the next person. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Article is horribly written and still in need of cleanup after my attempt[edit]

This article was packed with incomprehensible sentences and sections, dubious uncited and garbled scientific statements, and grammatical errors. It needs massive cleanup. I went through it and did my best at tidying it up but I am not an expert and it would take me a long time to verify everything and make the scientific sections sound. Someone else will need to help with that. This article probably gets a fairly high number of views so it seems reasonable that time is put into making it better. ShesGotSauce (talk) 15:14, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

removed link[edit]

I fail to see what qualifies the external link to http://www.neuroinstitute.org/btc as spam. it's a valid site, it provides information about Brain tumors I would add not mind having many more of those added. So qualifying my revert as GF is not sufficient as a motivation . --DerekvG (talk) 11:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Please see WP:ELNO --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:30, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I understand ELNO I fail to see the reasoning, so I still fail to see how this link qualifies as an avoidable link; but then again who am I to question other people's motives...--DerekvG (talk) 23:52, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
You could ask for greater input at WT:MED... My concern is the link seems like advertising for a hospital in the USA. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:02, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Agree that it appears like advertising and doesn't belong here. Yobol (talk) 00:19, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
@DocJames I see your point, thank you for explaining what your motivation, This should have been the motivation "wp:elno seems like advertising, promotional", This means it's not "Spam" (like in pointless unrelated advertising, like in entering a link for a porn-site) ; I see why most of the site could indeed be considered advertising for the clinic, however its nothing more then "this is us, that is what we do and that is where we are located" - there is no promotional intention behind the site, and the patient information about braintumors is useful - as a reference - without being "promotional", I do think the link was within ELNO regulations as an acceptable site. but I will not question your appreciation of the advertising character of the site --DerekvG (talk) 10:45, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Dubious[edit]

The physician-author of [5] mentioned on the radio that brain cancers rarely involve neurons, since neurons can't divide. Apparently the only exception is young children. Further sourcing is necessary here. -- Beland (talk) 23:56, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't quite understand your objection. Even if they are uncommon, the assertion that brain tumours may arise from neuronal components is not dubious. Gangliomgliomas, central neurocytomas, etc have neuronal components. I'm going to remove your flag until you can provide a reference citing the dubious role of neurons in brain tumours. 142.158.254.202 (talk) 19:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

brain tumor treatment can be done[edit]

brain cancer treatment can be done in brain treatment can we get 100% sucess in removing brain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.207.27.196 (talk) 04:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Lancet review article[edit]

Primary brain tumours in adults.

Ricard D, Idbaih A, Ducray F, Lahutte M, Hoang-Xuan K, Delattre JY.

Lancet. 2012 May 26;379(9830):1984-96. doi: 10.1016/S0140-6736(11)61346-9. Epub 2012 Apr 16. Review.

PMID:22510398

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  1. ^ Ricard, D; Idbaih, A; Ducray, F; Lahutte, M; Hoang-Xuan, K; Delattre, JY (2012 May 26). "Primary brain tumours in adults.". Lancet 379 (9830): 1984–96. PMID 22510398.  Check date values in: |date= (help);

--Nbauman (talk) 11:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

which bit of hype should I believe?[edit]

  • "The most commonly used treatment for brain tumors; the tumor is irradiated with beta, x rays or gamma rays."
  • "The primary and most desired course of action described in medical literature is surgical removal."

I can imagine someone consulting this article in a serious way would be somewhat confused by the two statements above. Although I suppose it's vaguely possible that they are both true, I'm not actually sure what these sentences mean. It would be great if someone could clarify (and perhaps add some citations). Arided (talk) 11:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

"Pregnancy with unknown headache"[edit]

is an "alarm signal" in the table at "signs & Symptoms". Something missing? Johnbod (talk) 14:58, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Points from Prof RR talk[edit]

Many types, 140+ - remarkable for one organ. All hard to treat. Most occur in glial tissues. G-blastoma, worst, highly dispersive even when very small, resistant to chemo and radio, good at fooling immune system. BBB generally makes chemo difficult. Median survival now c 14 mths - vs 6-8 wks if untreated. Little change since 2008. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Cancer Research UK review[edit]

As with the other reviews listed below, I asked a CRUK specialist to do an initial review, the idea being to sort out basic points out in the article before sending the article for review by other outside specialists. I was hoping this would give the medical editing community enough to go on to start serious work on the article. The reviewer here was the same as for lung cancer (an FA), and she was struck by the much poorer quality and randomness of this in comparison. We agreed that sizeable parts of the article should just be cut, or at the least entirely rewritten. In contrast to User:Axl & lung cancer, the article doesn't seem to have a "primary carer" beyond the indefatigable monitoring of JMH & JDW. In these circumstances, I won't write up the notes here. If anyone wants to help upgrade the article, please let me know, & I can communicate as is most convenient. I think much of it will have to be redone from scratch. The other reviews are at Talk:Lung_cancer#CRUK_review, Talk:Esophageal_cancer#Initial_review_by_CRUK and Talk:Pancreatic_cancer#Initial_review_by_CRUK. Thanks again to everyone who has helped, but there is plenty more to be done. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 16:52, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Articles[edit]

Wiki CRUK John (talk) 11:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Short and sweet clinical review from Clinical review of brain tumours: diagnosis and management, By Dr Frank Saran et al, The Royal Marsden (NHS and Private Care), July 2014. Not I think MEDRS-compliant - doesn't seem to be peer-reviewed, but handy for up-to-date sources etc. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 11:05, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Listing films[edit]

IMO is undue weight thus removed

"*Mobilize: A Film About Cell Phone Radiation (2014) documentary film about ongoing research on non-ionizing radiation and certain cancers" Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 04:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, linked from Mobile phone radiation and health, which is enuf. Johnbod (talk) 12:13, 19 October 2014 (UTC)