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Additional info[edit]

Removed from Brandy article. If it has additional information it should be in this article. Rmhermen 04:10 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Needs an update[edit]

I am so sorry to mess up this page. I just wanted to say that this section needs updating. She has posted that she is back in the studio and has been working with Mike Will Made It. She is also on the new Jessie J album with a duet called "Conquer the World". It has also been revealed via Twitter that she will be on X, Chris Brown's new album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.145.201.210 (talk) 12:36, 15 August 2013‎ UTC

Copied from here. Acalamari 12:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Bad source for Brandy Norwood's net worth[edit]

This is a bad source and should be deleted from Brandy's wikipedia article: http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/singer/brandy-norwood-net-worth/ -207.237.187.66 (talk) 01:16, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Please update her new music section[edit]

New interview today with Queen Latifah backstage - new music coming this year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.136.230 (talk) 21:06, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested moves[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Brandy Norwood not moved; all subtopic pages moved per consensus. The proposal to move Brandy Norwood was withdrawn per WP:NATURALDIS; their is a clear consensus to move the rest as proposed, per WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. bd2412 T 04:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

– An example very similar to Beyoncé, where the artist occasionally uses their full name for some projects, but is more notable for projects where they were credited mononymously. Like Beyoncé, Norwood is commonly known by her first name, Brandy. I actually am not sure where she is credited as "Brandy Norwood", how frequently she is, or if she even is at all - a brief skim of her most notable film projects shows that she is credited simply as "Brandy" in all of them (unlike Beyoncé, which is why her article was kept at "Beyoncé Knowles" for a very long time through 8 move requests).

Also, I believe all of her song/album articles list her as "Brandy" in the infobox, and Brandy (disambiguation) even says that Norwood is "better known by her mononym Brandy". So it basically seems as if we are acknowledging that her name is Brandy everywhere but the title of her main article, where her last name seems to only be present for disambiguation purposes. As she is most commonly known as Brandy (5.1 million Google results for brandy singer -norwood compared to less than 0.9 million for "brandy norwood"), the title should be disambiguated with "(entertainer)" (or "(singer)", though I think she's probably just as known for acting as she is for singing). –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:01, 10 July 2014 (UTC) note from nominator: I have revoked my suggestion of the move of the main Brandy Norwood article; all my other suggestions apply. see below.

Does the separation in the use of names rise to the level of being a pseudonym? If so they should be separate. If not we should use the same name consistently. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not super familiar with Brandy's career, but I know that all of her musical recordings credit her mononymously and some of her more significant film projects also credit her with the singular name. Perhaps someone who follows her career more closely can clarify this. –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose (entertainer) - sorry but in books entertainer means a juggler, or a music hall comedian. The now dated fad for "entertainer" for a singer who has also had a couple of film roles (much as almost any popular singer from the film era commencing) isn't encyclopedic language, but fan-blog talk. Compare "singer Brandy" 630 results with "entertainer Brandy" 7 results. Also in en.wp India (entertainer) can mean (pornstar), is this the ambiguity wanted? Aside from that neutral on Brandy (singer), WP:NATURAL suggests use the surname, but can see that at some points in her career use of surname was minimal. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • The definition of an entertainer is "a person who entertains others, esp. as a profession, as a singer, dancer, musician, comedian, etc." It could mean a juggler, comedian, porn star, etc., but it doesn't take long at all to read the article and find out what Ms. Norwood is notable for. Precedent for other celebrities who are notable for different forms of entertainment (such as acting and singing, in this case) is to disambiguate them with "entertainer"... even when they're far more notable for one aspect of their career such as Madonna. Which I don't completely agree with, but in this case, I think Brandy is so notable for her acting (it may not look such from her filmography, but I Still Know What You Did Last Summer was rather popular and she was the star of a very popular TV show for more than 5 years) that simply disambiguating her as a "singer" isn't accurate. –Chase (talk / contribs) 03:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Sure yes I agree, the definition of an entertainer is "a person who entertains others, esp. as a profession, as a singer, dancer, musician, comedian, etc." - which is exactly why we do not use it for singers. If you check the Category:Singer categories you will find them pretty well all at (singer) except for Madonna which has an ultra-problematic titling history at en.wp. It's not something we should duplicate at other articles. Also as an actress she was credited as Brandy Norwood in actual non-herself roles wasn't she? So anyway either (singer) or oppose, sorry. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:57, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • And the word "singer" is literally included in the description as an example of what an "entertainer" might be... O.o But I digress. Madonna is not the only example - Usher and Eve's articles are titled this way, Chris Brown's formerly was until it was decided that he was the primary topic and disambiguation was no longer necessary, and those are just off the top of my head... aaaand I just noticed you previously argued the same singer/entertainer point in various discussions including at Brown's article. So clearly this is is something you're pretty passionate about. But, contrary to your claims, "entertainer" most definitely applies to singers and actors, which is a part of the reason that such celebrities are covered in "Entertainment" sections on news sites, are considered part of the entertainment industry, etc.

    The exception is occasionally made for some singers to be listed as entertainers, because Eve, Usher, Madonna, Brandy, Brown, etc. are not merely singers - they are also notable for their acting work and other aspects of their career. Some more than others, and I agree that it would be perhaps more appropriate for these articles to be located at Eve (rapper), Usher (singer), Madonna (singer) due to the fact that their work in music is far more notable than their other gigs... but those aren't the celebrities we're discussing here. And Brandy is unlike these examples in that she's arguably just as notable for her acting as she is for her musical career. Hence just pigeonholing her as a "singer" wouldn't be completely accurate, and "singer and actress" would be too specific. I have suggested Brandy (singer) as an alternative request, and you seem to be strongly in favor of that one, but I still don't think it's the most appropriate title.

    And from what I know, she is credited in most of her film and TV roles as "Brandy", not "Brandy Norwood". But someone can correct me on this. –Chase (talk / contribs) 05:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Well Usher (singer) and Eve (singer) are dabbed contrary to book sources with a noisy (honorific) as well. It's embarrassing.
Yes there was a whole series of (entertainer) RMs to remove rappers from that dab. The probably basically is illustrated by the 23 RMs above - they're all songs. If she was an actress, she'd be a stub. But as the Google Books results show she isn't she's a singer who has done what every other singer does, the odd acting roles. So yes, I'm not going to change my view, other's might and you're welcome to argue it. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
The other RMs are because films and TV shows aren't typically disambiguated with the numerous actors in them, unlike album or song articles where there's (typically) one main artist to attribute it to. And again, Brandy is not merely a singer who's occasionally dabbled in acting - she's not merely a Madonna or Usher type who is mostly known for singing and does the occasional film role - she's more of a Jennifer Lopez type. She actually started in acting, did several high-profile gigs as an actress including the starring role on a TV series that lasted for more than half a decade, and is also notable for her musical career. If Lopez needed disambiguation, would simply "singer" be appropriate? would "actress"? No. So no, the use of "entertainer" is not embarrassing - it allows us to properly identify those figures who are notable for more than just one aspect of their career. –Chase (talk / contribs) 18:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose move of the singer herself but strong support all of the other proposed moves. My rationale is WP:NATURAL for the first and WP:CONCISE for the others. Red Slash 06:47, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Just asking, but assuming the page stays at Brandy Norwood per NATURAL, how would we go about, say, the main infobox in this article, since her mononym is her WP:COMMONNAME? Would "Norwood" truly be in the title solely for disambiguation, or would it be how we, more or less, "officially" (for lack of a better word) recognize her name (ie, infobox title and the like)? –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't think there's any reason to use anything but "Brandy" throughout the article (and in the infobox, etc.). Currently, we're only including the last name to naturally disambiguate the title since we can't have it at Brandy. Red Slash 09:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose moving Brandy Norwood, support the others basically per Red Slash. For the main article, the last name serves as natural disambiguation, which is generally preferable than a parentheses. For the sub-articles, the last name isn't necessary to distinguish the topics from others of the same name. "Brandy song", "Brandy album", etc. serve the purpose just as well per WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE, and possibly WP:RECOGNIZABLE.--Cúchullain t/c 14:08, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Was not aware of WP:NATURAL prior to requesting. As nominator, I now oppose the move of Brandy Norwood and maintain support for the other requests. –Chase (talk / contribs) 08:01, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep "Brandy Norwood" per wp:natural, move others per wp:concise. walk victor falk talk 09:46, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose all. A title like "List of Brandy songs" seems to violate WP:PRECISE. It sounds more like something for a list of "songs about brandy, the alcoholic beverage", not a list of "songs recorded by Brandy". Disambiguation phrases like "Brandy song" or "Brandy album" may also be similarly problematic, despite the minor WP:DIFFPUNCT change with the capital "B". As the second paragraph of WP:DIFFPUNCT notes, "in certain instances, this form of disambiguation may not be sufficient if one article is far more of a primary topic than the other". This is the case, with the beverage still being the long-term and significant primary topic of "brandy". And since the OP has rescinded the move of the Brandy Norwood page, all these other sub-articles would seem to violate WP:CONSISTENCY with the main article.Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Apparently the article was already at "Songs recorded by Brandy Norwood" and not "Brandy songs"; the incorrect listing in the OP was based on a redirect I saw in Template:Brandy Norwood, so that wouldn't be an issue, no? Nor would "Brandy song" or "Brandy album" be an issue unless the inanimate beverage has recorded and released music that I am not aware of. I see your point about consistency, but the agreement in this discussion seems to be that "Brandy" is the subject's common name and what we should refer to her by throughout the article, in her infobox, etc., with "Norwood" being present almost exclusively for disambiguation purposes. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:27, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • The only one I could really see possibly being an issue is "List of awards and nominations received by Brandy", but I think that the capital B clearly differentiates the singer from the beverage. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:32, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • For the song and album articles, the name used on the original releases is preferable unless there's a good reason not to use it. I thought that lists were consistent with the main article but maybe not if only needed for disambiguation; there are no disambiguated titles in Category:Lists of songs by recording artists. Peter James (talk) 21:46, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.