Talk:Breechloader

Eventually "Breech (firearms)" should have its own entry instead of redirecting to here

But not tonight! Lumbercutter 03:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess it would make too much sense for the article to simply have a picture of a breech loading rifle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.30.13.241 (talk) 21:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps now it is time? I am looking for a link to an explanation of false breeching. See Talk:Firearm#False breeching. --Una Smith (talk) 16:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Someone wrote breech mechanism recently, so I've change the redirect to point to that, although that article is of rather low quality despite its length (or rather because of it given its meandering nature). Someone not using his real name (talk) 23:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Patent

The article mentions an 1811 patent on a breech-loading gun. This patent number really should be found and linked to. I searched for a while, but the earliest I could find was US patent 17,382, Edward Lindner, "Improvement in Fire-Arms.", issued 1857-05-26 , so if the 1811 patent exists, its patent number would be below that. --Interiot 19:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Google Patent Search was just released (yay!), which allows searching of US patents all the way back to the beginning of the USPTO, but I still can't find the 1811 patent. US Patent #203 (!!!) issued in 1837 to a different person does have diagrams of a breech-loading weapon. I'm unable find any patent before that that matches "gun OR weapon OR sidearm". Similarly searches for the alleged inventors Hall and Thornton returns nothing that early. One might think the reference is to an 1811 patent in another country, though the individuals referenced both lived in the US for most of their lives. Is the 1811 reference really accurate? --Interiot 05:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the following bit from the article as it appears from the above two posts to be likely untrue. It shouldn't be left in there unless someone can prove it... Miremare 01:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The first successful breech-loader, or at least the first patented one, and the first one adopted for use as a military service arm, was patented by John H. Hall and William Thornton in 1811. [dubious — see talk page] The design went on trials by the US Department of War (as it was then called) during the 1810s, which lead to its adoption and production during the 1820s. It was among the first firearms to have interchangeable parts as well. The key was finely-crafted components which kept gas leaks to a minimum. Hall types were originally flintlock, but later types were made with caplock. The Hall types worked fairly well, but were expensive, so muzzle-loaders remained common. In all, over 20,000 were made.

Animation

I was under the impression that articles must be printable, i.e., they should not contain any animations. If this is the case, the animation on this page should be turned into a series of images. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andreas Toth (talk • contribs) 01:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

Articles can contain animations; in fact, many articles benifit from animations becuase they do a better job of explaining in images the point an article or section is trying to convey. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:09, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Suspicious Data

Re: "It was so called because of its .5-inch needle-like firing pin which passed through a paper cartridge" - .5 inch does not sound correct.--Tablizer (talk) 03:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Technical information on Calisher and Terry Carbine/rifle

Up to 10,000 C and T carbines and some rifles were produced and used mainly in New Zealand during the Maori rebellion -often called the Land Wars of the 1860s. About 4-5,000 were imported into NZ with the govt buying about half of these. They were also used in the American civil war by both sides and were used by Australian Militia forces but not in battle.The carbine was most extensively used by the famous NZ Forest Rangers ,an elite irregular force that operated as both a reconnaisance force and an attack spearhead in pitch battles against rebel Maori held up in fortifications.The New Zealand examples are all mark 2 or 3 versions . The main difference being a slightly longer barrel ( by about an inch) and spiral grooves increased from 3 to 5. In later models the barrel band was improved to snag less .Von Tempsky, a Prussian with guerilla warfare experience in Sth America, who was given NZ citizenship so he could be an officer ,greatly favoured this weapon over the far longer, slower to load Enfield 1853 pattern which was the main weapon of the many British regiments which came to NZ in the 1860s to defend the nation against the hostile uprising. The C and T was sold in both carbine form and rifle form(with 33" barrel).Von Tempsky's Forest Rangers developed the technique of firing their carbines once from cover at close range(10-15m) and then advancing through the smoke to attack Maori rebels at close range with revolvers(a mix of Colt navy .36 and Adam -Beaumont .44) and long heavy Bowie knives, although Von Tempsky himself favoured a sabre. The tactics were very successful with the rangers loosing few men and causing rebel Maori to retreat from the bush (dense Jungle) near Auckland in mid 1863, where they were preparing to attack the city.

Anyone test firing these weapons should do so with extreme caution and initially fire them remotely until the action is proven safe. The C and T cartridge is 2.02" to 2.07" long over all.The lead bullet is .577 calibre weighing 330grams. The wad base is .310"deep and .649" wide and enclosed in the paper wrap/cartidge. 2 grams of NO 6 powder are used . A user also used 55grains(2 grams) of 2F powder which gave v good accuracy. The wad base is greased. Using modern powder about 3-4 shots can be fired before fouling-mainly on the barrel throat, starts to effect accuracy. After about 10 shots the chamber is so fouled it is not possible to operated the breech block so the barrel must be properly cleaned. At 100m a 3 string shot produced a group of 1 1/2 " which is very good accuracy. The shooter felt some mild gas loss on their face. Normal musket caps were used with no misfires.

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"firearms" subsection misnamed

The entire article is about firearms. Why is one subsection called "firearms", as if artillery aren't firearms? Should it be "handguns" instead? LachlanA (talk) 00:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)