Talk:Bristol Palin

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Puffery?[edit]

On December 29, 2015, Geraldshields11 (talk) 17:02, 29 December 2015 (UTC) moved this discussion from user talk page to article talk page for archival purposes.


I Googled "Bristol Palin," Anchorage and brawl, and got 26,000 hits. These included the ADN, ABC, the BBC, People, TPM, the N.Y. Daily News in the first 10, and out at the hundredth cite, the Guardian. My adjective "well-publicized," would seem to be objective. Some of that coverage was accompanied by photos of bruises sustained by participants. If you agree, could you revert your edit? I'm not trying to be argumentative. Please feel comfortable with disagreeing. Thanks. Activist (talk) 14:07, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Dear Activist Hopefully, all items on Wikipedia are supported by a depth of reliable sources. Similarly, the article about the Hatfields-McCoys feud would not be a "well-publicized feud" but just a feud. Do these 26,000 reports of a brawl discuss the social and historical implications of the brawl or that it just happened?
Now, you raise an interesting point about the reporting of the brawl. Other than Palins being there, what significance was the event for it to be published in an encyclopedia? the social and historical implications of the brawl?
In the past, I edited the article about Ri Sol-ju. I bring this up to illustrate the point about reporting. Darcie Draudt, a critic, brought up the point on how reporters and, more importantly, the audience focuses on odd events.[1]
Well, I slogged through the Wikipedia article about Kim's wife, through the Draudt article as well, and, for reference, articles about Robert Downey, Jr. and Mel Gibson, whose lives have been marked by similar escapades, to see how they were presented. The brawl would not have been noteworthy had it been between (I presume) you and I or anyone else who is not a well known cultural figure, and if their public persona were not of some significance: The comparison appears to be apples and oranges. Bristol is a person who has made an ironic and exceedingly* comfortable living being a role model, so the notoriety the brawl generated seems, well, notable. You might get a chuckle, by the way, at the text which some editor pasted to both the Downey and Gibson articles, but which has been heavily redacted and expurgated from Mel's, but not Jr.'s. P.S. Thanks for your perseverance in deleting the questionable birth date for the very mysterious Mrs. Un. By the way, I had not run across the Wikipedia (only?) "Peacock" reference before. *She complained that someone had stolen her "$300 sunglasses" during the fight. Activist (talk) 20:34, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
I did not mean for you to read the Ri article but understand the source of the pop cultural mirror we are holding up. A discussion (outside of Wikipedia) of peacocking and weaseling can be found at https://www.writeraccess.com/blog/avoiding-peacock-and-weasel-terms/ . I just removed the term "well-publicized" which I equate as "a well-known", which is third on the list in the discussion. Geraldshields11 (talk) 20:43, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
So, think of this to put into an encyclopedia:
On September 6, 2014 , Bristol Pailin attended a party that degenerated into a brawl. Strangely, 26,000 reports of this can be found on the Internet.
On December 16, 1773, some guys dressed as Native Americans attended a tea party that degenerated into a revolutionary war. Strangely, King George thought that this was unimportant.
In the first sentence, the 26,000 reports that you mention are a pop culture mirror and that is the real story (and the point that Draudt was making about Western reports of Ri). After all, on September 6, 2014, did not something more important than a Palin brawl happen that day to generate a couple of thousand reports. Pop culture put the news of the weird before something else.
In the second sentence, the cultural and historic significance of the Boston Tea party is encyclopedic because it has a lasting effect (and still keeps being reported on) even though King George ignored it.
Just removing the word. Geraldshields11 (talk) 21:10, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Works for me. I went back and read a couple of other original stories on the incident, by the way, plus the police reports. Sheesh! Thanks for all your input. Very thought provoking. Activist (talk) 22:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
  1. ^ Draudt, Darcie (3 March 2013). "Ri Sol-ju Goes Viral: What Social Media Reveal about the DPRK’s First Lady". SinoNK.com. Retrieved 15 July 2013. 

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