Talk:British Overseas Territories

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As this list contains many of the world's biggest territories used for tax evasion by multinationals and the world's rich, I'm astonished to find pretty much zero mention of this. Is this page being kept clean and presentable for political purposes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

unlike the Commonwealth realms, have voted to remain British territories[edit]

I'm uneasy about the phrase unlike the Commonwealth realms. It seems to imply that each Commonwealth realm was established from a former territory through an independence vote. It doesn't precisely say that, but readers could come away with that mistaken impression. On the other hand I don't know enough about independence votes in British overseas territories to be bold and reword the paragraph without introducing new errors. For the record, as far as I know none of the dominions became a realm through popular vote and the change of title from "colony" to "dominion" to "realm" was in many cases an after-the-fact recognition of pre-existing political/legal realities. Could someone with better knowledge of the British overseas territories please reword the paragraph to make this clearer? Ben Arnold (talk) 02:41, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I think the point is that some, if not all, have chosen to remain dependencies. But that is controversial, and throwing in jargon like "Commonwealth realms" is confusing. So I have removed it. TFD (talk) 17:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Anguilla become independent as part of Saint Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla. It resisted this and reverted to British Overseas Territory status.
Cayman Islands, and the Turks and Caicos, too were on the path of independence having been attached to Jamaica out of convenience of the UK. Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos both sought right to be removed from Jamaica and retained their relationship with the UK. Turks and Caicos was then attached to the Bahamas, but therein also, when The Commonwealth of the Bahamas went for independence they resisted going independent along with The Commonwealth of the Bahamas. The nation of Bermuda has held a number of polls on independence and the support there isn't enough for independence either. Montserrat was looking at the path of independence but the 1995 volcano issue put that to sleep given the conditions scattering all of the people on that island. CaribDigita (talk) 23:03, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
There is no doubt that the inhabitants of each BOT prefer the current arrangement to independence. But that is not the whole story. In some BOTs (Falklands, Gibraltar), it is disputed whether the rightful occupants are allowed entry. Some have no inhabitants (SGSSI). The residents of BIOT were expelled and it is currently uninhabited. We cannot just add selective facts. TFD (talk) 23:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I thought those islands were decided by the courts? I believe the excuse of Sea Level Rise was given for why the residents of Chagos can't go back. All I'll say is "touchy" about the other nation mentioned, 'Gibraltar', who's the rightful occupants there? CaribDigita (talk) 23:38, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
BIOT is not sinking - the UK government decided to use it as a military base and their courts have determined that the government has absolute power to do whatever they want except if parliament prevents them. According to Spain, Spanish people are the rightful inhabitants of Gibraltar and Argentina claims the Falklands and SGSSI. I do not wish to argue any opinion on the merits of these cases. The UK added Gibraltar and the Falklands to the list of non-self-governing overseas territories, which means they are obligated to provide them independence, or offer associate state status or union with the U.K. TFD (talk) 00:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
The same documents which Argentina uses to make a claim Falkland Islands are roughly the same age as other Spanish documents claiming other parts of the former British Empire. Venezuela has claims on several islands, Trinidad and Tobago (since dormant-- but could arguably be re-activated if Argentina prevailed), as could Venezuelan claims for Barbados, Guyana (South America, formerly British Guiana), Guatemala's claims on Belize (Central America, formerly British Honduras) as they are all under documents of roughly the same era but considered a long shot due to age.
There might still be some Spanish documents claiming The Commonwealth of the Bahamas around the same time. If all the Spanish claims to the current and former British Empire were re-activated from that era the world will look really different. The Argentina claim for Falkland Islands I believe were long put to bed by referendum, whereby I believe they voted to remain British (no?). The Chagos islanders are an anomaly, but since it is being used for military, I don't believe the U.K. is looking to increase civilian usage there. Hasn't Gibraltar also held referendums on status? I'm not fully sure about BOTS further east. CaribDigita (talk) 17:05, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I fail to see what relevance your comments have to the subject of this discussion thread. TFD (talk) 04:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
(Following my comments above, you expanded your posting.) That the Falklands and Gibraltar (anywhere else?) held referenda to remain as BOTs does not mean we can say that the BOTs (i.e., all of them) have voted to remain BOTs. Also it is a matter of dispute who the actual population are and Gibraltar and Falkland Islands nationality is not recognized. TFD (talk) 00:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


I have inserted links to various colonial constitutions; they are helpful for issues like capital punishment, marriage etc. Colonial laws are not the same as the UK.

Names of the Falkland Islands[edit]

Today, I removed the Spanish-language name of the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) added on Friday. I was reverted on the basis that it was an "alternative name recommended per WP:NCGN#Falkland Islands".

This does not actually reflect WP:NCGN#Falkland Islands, which recommends the use of forms using Malvinas only in articles "that directly relate to the dispute". This is not credibly such an article. It recommends Spanish-language names on geographical articles, but in this case that would mean Territorios británicos de ultramar, not Islas Malvinas.

The predominant usage in English, including in neutral sources, is Falkland Islands. Most sources only refer to Islas Malvinas in the circumstances that we do, i.e. on the first instance only where there is direct relation to the dispute. They would not do so on an article such as this. Kahastok talk 19:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Former territories post-1978[edit]

Kiribati, New Hebrides, Brunei, Antigua and Barbuda, St Kitts and Nevis miss — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kisscool57 (talkcontribs) 11:41, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Why is 1978 even being used as a cut-off date here? It doesn't seem like there was any change in status across all territories at that date. --Jfruh (talk) 21:21, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Seems like that is as far back as the creator of the section decided to go. Most of the information can be found at Member states of the Commonwealth of Nations, so it would be that difficult to complete. TFD (talk) 21:59, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Looks like it was added in this edit in November 2014. Some of the key information is already in the prrose above. If there are no objections, we could boldly remove the section? Easy to undo if others disagree or propose an alternative. Whizz40 (talk) 05:31, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Made some changes to the prose of the History section and removed the table for Former territories post-1978. Whizz40 (talk) 06:09, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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