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A fact from Bruno Giacosa appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 September 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the winemaker of the eponymous Piemonte wine producer, Bruno Giacosa, is known as "the genius of Neive"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/September.

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Single vinyard bottlings[edit]

The article states that Giacosa started bottling single vinyard wines from 1976. This is not true, since he bottled Santo Stafano in 1961 and Falletto in 1964. Since then he started bottling single vinyards regularly. See this page and this page. Bertrand77 (talk) 13:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, good catch, my typo. The source from Wine News contends Giacosa started single vineyard bottlings (with label designated crus) in 67 not 76, crediting Beppe Colla at Prunotto with being first in 1961. Not sure what to do with the Ken Vastola table site which gives imagery of these bottles that make no cru claim, only that Vastola writes "The winery says..Santo Stefano Vineyard in Neive" and "The winery says..Falletto Vineyard". deMURGH ^talk 19:53, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Plagiarism?[edit]

My attention was drawn to the rather surprising exclamation point in this line: "To this day, Bruno Giacosa cites this wine as his single favorite wine of his entire career!" This may have been copied directly from [1] but in any event, I unfortunately don't have time tonight to really investigate this and correct it fully, but I thought I should raise the issue here immediately. I will be removing a bit of this now, but it really does deserve a careful reading and comparison, and reconstruction if possible with proper attribution. Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimbo Wales: Wayback has its earliest page for ovidventures.com in 2018. It is somewhat difficult to find any information about this company online, so I cannot say for sure when it was founded. The specific page for this guy doesn't exist in the archive period. Anyway, the bulk of the removed text that appears on both pages seems to be in Special:Permalink/380391528 from 2010. This 2013 diff has the "Bruno Giacosa suffered a stroke in 2006" part. I'd say that, unless that website was around in 2010-13, the copying seems to have gone the other direction and they were taking it from us. This 2017 diff introduces the exclamation-point line ("To this day, Bruno Giacosa cites this wine as his single favorite wine of his entire career!") and it's not quite clear to me where that came from (it doesn't seem to really be cited).jp×g 🗯️ 09:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, that is a really silly way to write that sentence, and I don't see anything in the sources to support it, so it should probably stay out regardless of whether or not it came from the Ovid Ventures site. jp×g 🗯️ 09:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]