Talk:Buffalo Hump

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Biography (Rated Start-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 
Note icon
This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool because one or more other projects use this class. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the |auto= parameter.
WikiProject Military history (Rated Start-Class)
MILHIST This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.
Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality assessment scale.
WikiProject United States / American Old West / Texas (Rated Start-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject American Old West (marked as Mid-importance).
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Texas (marked as Mid-importance).
 
WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America (Rated B-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Native Americans, Aboriginal peoples, and related indigenous peoples of North America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 
WikiProject Oklahoma (Rated B-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Oklahoma, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of Oklahoma on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
 

Suggestions[edit]

Need authors for references. Need to have a consistent style for references. I do not like links such as [1] in the body of the text; make them superscripts etc.--Filll 22:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Filll I am sorry, I did not see this until today. I will have the references properly formatted by noon tomorrow. This is now, I am happy to say, the most complete article on this warrior/diplomat on the net, at least that I know of. If anyone knows of another, please let me know, so I can examine it! Thanks for your assistance. old windy bear 23:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
To what end? I just deleted a line made up out of the blue and attributed to a source, with the point of once again "proving" all soldiers women-kids-killing butchers, all Indians noble natives.--Reedmalloy (talk) 16:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you address the subject in any more detail? Did he have a hump on his back? Was he a prodigious killer of settlers personally or was he credited wtih any and all deaths attributed to Commanches? Did he speak english?Randal Cullen (talk) 01:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Council House Fight[edit]

At present, the article states that the purpose of the 1840 raid was "to get revenge on the Texans who had killed thirty members of a delegation of Comanche Chiefs when these had been under a flag of truce for negotiations." I have two points of disagreement here. First, this is inaccurate from the standpoint that, if it was "revenge" they were seeking, then the raid would have been directed at the Texas military (or at least the citizenry of San Antonio) who were involved in the Council House Fight. But instead, the raid was directed at the citizens in the countryside and in the towns of Victoria and Linnville, none of whom had anything to do with the Council House Fight. It would be more accurate to say simply that the Penateka Comanche "declared war on the Texans after the Council House Fight."

My second point of disagreement has to do with the last half of the sentence where it goes into too much detail stating that the Comanche chiefs had been under a flag of truce. It leaves the reader with the impression that the chiefs were killed unfairly and for no reason. The truth is that it was the chiefs who first went berserk in the Council House, pulling knives and stabbing several in attendance as they tried to leave the building. The shooting on the part of the Texans was, at that point, in self-defense. You could go further to say that the chiefs went berserk because they had just been informed that they would be held hostage until the white captives were returned as promised, and you could point out that the Texans should not have tried to take them hostage when they were under a flag of truce, but I could respond that the truce had only been agreed to under the condition that the Comanche would bring in the white captives as a sign of good faith, which the Comanche did not do.

In the end, you have opened a huge discussion about who was at fault in the Council House Fight, when it could have all been avoided if the implications of fault had been left out the sentence in the first place. After all, the article is about Buffalo Hump, and not about the Council House Fight. PGNormand (talk) 00:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

If there is a debate about what exactly happened, I agree that it would be more properly addressed in the Council House Fight article. Still, I think the basic outline of what happened there needs to be mentioned in this article, for it to flow logically.

ManicParroT (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Role in negotiating peaceful surrender of the Penateka band[edit]

The section of the article starts:

It is notable that had the Texans ever negotiated a treaty with all the Comanche where the Comancheria had been recognized, it would have stood, and led to the return of the captives that were at the heart of the Council House disaster.

This is editorial commentary or, at best, supposition, not fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.189.21.155 (talk) 15:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

It is notable that had the Texans ever negotiated a treaty with all the Comanche where the Comancheria had been recognized, it would have stood, and led to the return of the captives that were at the heart of the Council House disaster.

This is directly contradicted by the Council House Fight article which states that the Comanche there could not have released the other captives, as they were being held by other bands not under the jurisdiction of the leaders at the Council House. This statement seems like unsourced opinion added by the author of this page. Shralk (talk) 03:54, 2 November 2012 (UTC)