Talk:Bull-leaping

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What about the images that clearly show goring? Novium 19:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

This sardonic comment is actually not too far off the mark. The article confuses two sorts of bull-leaping. The one referenced by the name, seizing the horns and vaulting over them, is not done, probably never has been done, and is impossible. That jerk of the horns is way too fast for an acrobat to get any "purchase" from it. The bull comes at you like a freight train. There is no opportunity to grab the horns at all. Even if by chance you did, there is no opportunity to spring yourself off in a balanced fashion. Evans saw that immediately, and just to be sure, he consulted some toreadors. It would be something like trying to grab a thrown spear and somersaulting off it. This kind of bull-leaping is the product of the imagination of the scholars, who looked at lots of representations but apparently no bullfights. The toreador in a bullfight has all he can do to avoid the horns. One slip and he goes to the hospital. Connecting with the horns is something like getting hit with an automobile. Ever see any pictures of people somersaulting off the hood of a car? Neither have I. The second kind of bull-leaping is possible. If you are a trained leaper or pole-vaulter and the bull is a small, tame one, you might jump over it without touching it. That custom has nevertheless sent many to the hospital or their graves. Our article here lumps the two togther. Can't be done. Evans points out that these bull-human representations always show the human doing impossible things, such as lifting a bull over their heads. This is a supernatural scene in art, like superman of the comic books. In real life we do not look for people to leap tall buildings at a single bound or handspring over charging bulls while naked ladies hold the horns. So, I will correct that not too long from now when I get to the article. The source given, which I have seen, gives a great classification of bull-leaping scenes but he nowhere says that any of those are real or possible.Dave (talk) 14:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Somersaults[edit]

The section regarding somersaults in the iconography is confusing. In type I and II it describes an acrobat approaching the bull from the front and performing a backwards somersault, but a backwards somersault is where the acrobat looks behind them and somersaults backwards. It would be logical for the acrobats to be performing a forward somersault instead, which appears to be what they are doing in the depictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.23.103 (talk) 03:13, 11 May 2012 (UTC)