Talk:Busch Memorial Stadium

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Football?[edit]

Should most of the focus be on the baseball uses of the stadium? The Gridbirds left in the 80s and it was originally designed as a baseball stadium. I dunno, it just seems that football having its own section and no section for baseball is something that could be addressed. Phyrkrakr (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Best talk and Citizen Kane[edit]

(Original message posted to User talk:Woohookitty):

I wanted to let you know before I do anything that I plan to add back the concept you deleted from the Busch Stadium article. Although the "best multipurpose stadium" is opinion, it is a very widely held opinion that Busch Stadium was the best or one of the best of the lot. See [1] and [2] and [3], to name a few. Given the very low opinion of the multipurpose stadium in general, the phrase "best multipurpose stadium" is not much a compliment, but I think it does add appropriate information to the article. If you have any strong objections, please let me know. I am also going to post this same message on the article's Talk page. -- DS1953 14:53, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

I have objections. It's POV. Words like "best" really shouldn't be on Wikipedia except in extreme cases. Opinions really shouldn't be in articles. --Woohookitty 15:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
As it was originally written, I agree that it was POV. I disagree strongly, however, that words like "best" shouldn't be on Wikipedia "except in extreme cases". If properly worded and appropriately sourced, commonly held opinions are reportable facts. Thus, in Citizen Kane, when the article states "Many critics consider Citizen Kane the best film ever made," that is a verifiable fact that puts the film in proper perspective and distinguishes it from such other fine films as Police Academy 7. Similarly, language along the lines of "Although the multipurpose sports stadium has generally been criticized by writers and fans alike, many writers have recognized Busch Stadium as one of the best multipurpose stadiums" is not POV if it is verifiable. It is just a statement of fact. -- DS1953 16:33, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

External links[edit]

(Original message posted to User talk:Aaron Brenneman):

Aaron, I see you removed two links from the Busch Stadium article. I would point out that (1) Wikipedia:External links is only a style guideline, (2) Wikipedia talk:External links clarifies that in some cases such links are appropriate, (3) it is almost impossible to convey the months-long demolition without the time lapse photos, and (4) I like the links (I watched one of them several times when it was first posted). I think that they add tremendous value to the article.

I agree with you that the web cam of the new stadium should not be on the page. Whether it should be at Busch Stadium III is a debate for another day, since I have never edited that article.

I propose to add the other two back, but I do think that the one should be moved from the main text to the "External links" section.

If you have a strong objection, I will post my arguments on the talk page before I take the action, but if you don't, I would like to just do it. -- DS1953 talk 03:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to give any other contributors a chance to weigh in before we do anything. I'll also wait a day or two and look back at them, things are often more clear to me aftre I let my brain work them over in the background.
brenneman(t)(c) 04:24, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
  • The link to the time-lapse demolition of Busch should definitely be restored. It provides dramatic documentation of the surprisingly fast de-construction of the 40-year-old stadium. Wahkeenah 04:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Disambig[edit]

I added a disambiguational blurb at the beginning...post comments here, please. Clarkefreak 01:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Good idea. An evolving situation, I assume... Once the new one is actually open, it will be become the "primary" Busch Stadium with the recently-demolished one the secondary. In fact, now that "Busch II" is no longer standing and "Busch III" is approaching being completed, I think you should do it right away. d:) Wahkeenah 02:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

improve[edit]

Very disappointed with this article. Wouldn't we want to keep the new stadium info out of this article. In has its own, link to it Busch Stadium III or something? Common st. louis!

J. Crocker 02:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

made disambig[edit]

Made it disambig, please help fix links.

J. Crocker 03:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


I think that Busch Stadium should point directly to Busch 3 now, and we should change the name of Busch 3 to just Busch. My thoughts. --Jcarkeys 23:64, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

  • I think we should hold on and see how the Cardinals team, announcers, etc. label the new park. I'm sure they'll be calling it "Busch Stadium III" or "New Busch" for awhile, but it won't be long before it's just plain "Busch Stadium", and then you could make the final adjustments. Wahkeenah 00:52, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that "Busch Stadium" should just link directly to Busch III, since that is the currently-used stadium...I added my disambig blurb during the interregnum of the offseason, and had on my personal to-do list to move things around once the season rolled around. We should just link this to that page, with a disambig blurb at the beginning for Sportsman's and Busch II. Clarkefreak 03:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

On a related note, shouldn't "Old Busch Stadium" redirect here? toll_booth 13:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Moved. —Centrxtalk • 04:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

Busch Stadium II → Busch Memorial Stadium – {This was the actual name of the old stadium. 'Busch II' is unofficial. —Pædia 20:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)} copied from the entry on the WP:RM page

Survey[edit]

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Support per nomination TJ Spyke 01:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per nomination. Ardric47 03:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Be sure to cover the nickname in the article. --Dhartung | Talk 11:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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Unsourced material[edit]

The following is unsourced information:

  • It was featured in the game Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2. In one level during the Allied campaign the player must destroy a Soviet Psychic Beacon that is located in the ruins of the stadium.
  • From day one, the stadium's electric scoreboard, which cost $1.5 million, featured a cardinal which fluttered and chirped when the Cardinals hit a home run.
  • In the inaugural game, the Cardinals defeated the Atlanta Braves 4–3 in 12 innings. The game's first pitch was thrown by Ray Washburn.
  • The stadium hosted its lone All-Star Game in its first year of existence. The 1966 contest came during a record heat wave that swept the Northeast and Midwest, and several spectators suffered heatstroke. Casey Stengel, when asked what he thought of the new stadium, remarked, "It holds the heat well!"
  • The Musial statue was unveiled on a Sunday in August 1968, after the Chicago Cubs had swept a three-game series; some fans feared the statue might turn out to be of Ernie Banks.
  • The 1968 film Paper Lion was partially filmed at Busch.
  • Parts of the 2005 film Fever Pitch filmed at Busch.
  • The naming rights for Busch Stadium were purchased by Anheuser-Busch in 1996, and the stadium's logo was then modeled after the logo for Busch beer.
  • At the regular season "final game" ceremonies on October 2, 2005, the club celebrated its almost 40-year history at the "old Bottle Cap" (Busch Stadium) with a two-hour post game ceremony. The Cardinals honored 11 employees who had worked there for the stadium's entire 40 year history; it also brought back stars from the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. Also honored were the 2005 team and the "men who built the park," Jack Buck and August A. Busch, Jr. the founder's grandson and former chairman of Anheuser-Busch. For the first time in over a decade the Anheuser-Busch Clydesdales trotted around the warning track, while the 50,000+ fans in attendance sang "Here Comes the King!" (a Budweiser jingle dating back to the 1970s) along with organist Ernie Hays.
  • The final game in Busch Stadium was played on October 19, 2005, Game 6 of the National League Championship Series. The Houston Astros beat the Cardinals 5-1, taking the series 4-2. The last out recorded in the stadium was caught by Astro Jason Lane in right field off the bat of Yadier Molina off Houston relief pitcher Dan Wheeler. Lane also hit the last home run in Busch Stadium during this game.In tribute to the stadium, at the end of the game a loud chant of "Lets go Cardinals" went around the stadium. Exactly 50 days later, the 40-year-old stadium was only a memory.

While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 11:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Curse of the Bambino[edit]

I want to make clear this about Busch Memorial Stadium: This is the field where the Curse of the Bambino died at. That's why I added templates about the Boston Red Sox. This is because it was at Busch Stadium that the Curse of the Bambino died in 2004, not at Fenway Park. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 11:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

That's already clear in the article. However, the two navboxes you keep adding are NOT necessary. I feel that trying to promote this is adding too much weight on that fact, when really, it's kind of a footnote in the stadium's ~40 year history. Besides the fact of which, there's *already* an entry to "Death of the Curse of the Bambino" in the Cardinals navbox which links to the '04 series - we don't need extra links to it. (I also note that this has been pointed out to you in the history of {{Template:St. Louis Cardinals}} as well.) I feel like you're a little obsessed with this subject, and are pushing it too hard in places. umrguy42 15:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I should also point out (and I think I have), and I can see it's been pointed out to you before by others, that the "Curse of the Bambino" is Red Sox/Red Sox-Yankees lore. NOT Cardinals lore. Seriously, the vast majority of Cards fans were bummed that we had a great regular season and then got totally swept by the Sox juggernaut in the Series, rather than "zOMG, they broke the Curse!". umrguy42 15:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Those proposed navboxes concern the Red Sox & Yankees, not the Cardinals. GoodDay (talk) 17:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

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