Talk:Business-education partnerships

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Hello, I have changed this article and hope it meets the guidelines you have shared with me. Thanks. sanhealy Hi, Any feedback would be welcomed. I'm hoping it's acceptable for publishing now. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I have changed this article to meet the standards and requirements setout in Wikipedia. Thanks.

Move to Business-Education Partnerships?[edit]

User:Sanhealy has proposed that this article be renamed. Does anyone object to the new name? I'll recommend one change; education and partnerships need to be lower-case according to the Wikipedia:Manual of style. If anyone responds here, please remember to sign your comment by appending four tildes to your comment (~) before pressing 'Save page.' This will expand into your name and the date. EdJohnston (talk) 15:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the name should be changed to Business-education partnerships according to the Wikipedia:Manual of style.Sanhealy (talk) 16:43, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The new problem I see is that the only examples are Canadian. Should the new title be Business-education partnerships in Canada? EdJohnston (talk) 21:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Sanhealy, is it possible you could use the 'Show Preview' button when editing the article? That would save cluttering up the edit history with many tiny changes, sometimes as many as two in one minute. EdJohnston (talk) 21:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Although at this point in time I have added only Canadian examples of partnerships, I'm anticipating that this site applies to anywhere in the world and others who contribute to the site can add examples from their own geographic locations. Business-education partnerships are world-wide and often the two parties are from different parts of the world. I'll add some international examples to the current listing to give it that international flavour. Others can expand on them if they so desire. Also, I have cited some US references from the literature review I did.--Sanhealy (talk) 17:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Regarding cluttering up the edit history - I'll be using the 'show preview' when editing any article. Thanks.--Sanhealy (talk) 17:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I renamed the page to Business-education partnerships. The content of the article is still very Canada-centric, though, so it may not survive under this very general-sounding title. Either more rewriting is needed, or perhaps a further name change can be made after the content settles down. EdJohnston (talk) 03:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by your last statement, "after the content settles down". Please expand on. Thanks.--Sanhealy (talk) 14:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be still working on the content. So far, no-one besides yourself has made any changes to the text. I imagine that others may consider this to be a isolated article, since it is not yet part of a coherent program of covering a particular topic area. (For example it's not in any categories yet). These are discussions that may occur in the future, when others start looking into this article. You may notice that the article is still tagged for Cleanup, Essay and Tone, and some rewriting would needed to justify removing those. EdJohnston (talk) 16:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I have found a few categories relevant to this topic and added them to the bottom of this article. I have done considerable rewriting to address the issues tagged for cleanup, essay and tone. I have also provided a 'global' perspective on the topic also. --Sanhealy (talk) 17:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I think your recent changes have been good, and you've been diligent in trying to follow our policies. There is still a slight tone of giving authoritative advice. At WP we favor a cool neutral tone, as in 'There is this set of people who believe that Business-education partnerships should be run in a particular way..' Also if there have been any criticisms of business-education partnerships it is nice to include that, for balance. Eventually this article might be taken to peer review to get more opinions than just mine. EdJohnston (talk) 18:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I have toned down the authoritative advice in this article and incorporated a neutral tone where applicable. I have also added a section on the "growing disenchantment of business and industry", although I have not found much literature on the subject, it will certainly be a starting point for additional input from others. I'm hoping that this article is ready for a clean bill as I do have a deadline to meet of Feb 29th, to have this assignment completed. Your feedback is much appreciated. --Sanhealy (talk) 21:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

What's the assignment? EdJohnston (talk) 21:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

We are to learn about Wikipedia and the Wikipedia community by contributing to the English edition of the encyclopedia. We have been asked to create a new Wikipedia article on any topic or expand an existing "stub" article. Our article should contain approximately 1000-1500 words and we have the option of creating several smaller articles instead of one large one. We are allowed to choose any topic we wish within the spirit of the Wikipedia guidelines. Our professor has provided us with the qualities of a superior Wikipedia contribution.

  • 1. It will be written in plain language and relatively jargon-free (terms & phrases should be carefully explained to the reader).
  • 2. It will be well-organized and the ideas will be clearly expressed.
  • 3. It will be fair and neutral.
  • 4. It will contain links to other relevant Wikipedia articles, and possibly links to external web pages.
  • 5. It will follow conventional standards of grammar, spelling and punctuation.
  • 6. It may incorporate graphics to illustrate points made in the article.

I am enrolled in a course at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, "An Introduction to Knowledge Building". --Sanhealy (talk) 02:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Will the two items essay-like and tone for February 2008 on this article be removed soon? --Sanhealy (talk) 19:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you have more time to work on this? :-). The article still has a slightly promotional flavor, and seems enthusiastic about business-education partnerships. (I do favor them myself). The references seem to have a how-to flavor, explaining how to create such partnerships, and there is not much in the way of cold-eyed evaluation. I assume there must have been studies done on cooperative education in the US, at least, and perhaps findings from some of those might be added. EdJohnston (talk) 20:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think you're right on this point. I have recently reviewed the literature and found a number of studies and articles that would present this perspective and will update the article and the resources section with these findings later today. Thanks. --Sanhealy (talk) 16:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Ed, I was wondering if you had a chance to review my updated posting. Thanks. SandraSanhealy (talk) 03:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sandra. I think that the article is now properly neutral, and next I hope you can consider whether the references might be improved.
  • Ref. 1: Is this a published book? No ISBN is provided.
  • Refs 2, 7 and 8: These seem to go to the top level of the respective web sites. When a link is provided as a source for a factual point, it is better to use a specific link.
Generally the introduction of the article doesn't appear to be backed up by specific references. Perhaps you already have sources that you might include as references. Inline citations are the best way to add these, and I see you already know how to use those. EdJohnston (talk) 14:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Ed, I've gone through and made the changes you have recommended. --Sanhealy (talk) 17:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your improvement, I think we are getting close to the end. Would you consider a posting at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Education asking those editors for any feedback? Though the project doesn't seem terribly active, that is the closest WikiProject that I know of. EdJohnston (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would be not only interesting but feedback of any kind is always productive. Thanks. --Sanhealy (talk) 01:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC) So I've been waiting for feedback from this WikiProject. Have you requested they review my wiki? My course ends tomorrow and it would be great if someone could approve or provide some feedback. thanks. --Sanhealy (talk) 22:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

My hope was that you would leave a comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Education and ask for feedback. Sorry I wasn't more clear. I still see some problems in the reference list. At least the second half of the list doesn't seem to specify any journal or book that the article appeared in. Refs 6 through 12 should either have ISBNs indicated (if they are books) or the name of the journal and the page references. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Sandra, you seem to be making progress. I changed the first reference to a citation template. If I get time I may convert the others or perhaps you will be interested in doing that. Is this the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education in Toronto? Is there a list anywhere of the Wikipedia articles you guys have worked on? There is some kind of a Wikipedia project that tries to keep track of these academic efforts, and it does sound like a good idea. EdJohnston (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Ed, I went through the references and added the specific ISBNs where applicable and other info to complete the reference. I'll take a look at citation templates. I'm not sure what they are but I'm willing to learn something new. Yes, this is OISE in Toronto and our class projects come to an end today. I could provide you with a list of wikipedia articles our class worked on but since today is our last day, I'm not sure the group work will continue. I can only speak for myself - and I do intend to take my to completion. I have also posted a note to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Education this morning for feedback as you suggested.

Here are our class wikis: The Course is called: Introduction to Knowledge Building

Thanks, Sandra--Sanhealy (talk) 21:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Here is the Wikipedia project I was trying to recall: Wikipedia:School and university projects. It lists some other projects that various people have tried. EdJohnston (talk) 21:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ed, Are you wanting me to look for feed back from another project? Our class is coming to a closure...our closure is today. There is no project and the students are moving on to other courses. Our communication has been most valuable and I will continue our communication to ensure that soon the banners on my contribution will eventually be removed. Thanks. Sandra.--Sanhealy (talk) 07:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Sandra, thanks for your recent work! I see that a project template has been added to Talk, and the references have been improved. I removed the 'tone' and 'essay-like' tags. EdJohnston (talk) 15:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

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