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Discussion of Canada's official name

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Was this a mistake?[edit]

In that picture

Canada Köppen.svg

at the end of the of Vancouver Island, it shows CsB. I see little lighter bits of yellow in it. Does that mean Canada has Csa, or is that more BSk? Unknown... (talk) 04:04, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

February? They're in their gardens year-round. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:40, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Chief justice in infobox[edit]

Hi all - while this has been previously discussed, I think it is time to once again re-visit placing the chief justice position in the infobox.

A past argument against inclusion is that the inbox is only for listing members of the big-G, executive Government of Canada. First, I'd note that the monarch and GG are not members of the "Government", which would only be the prime minister and Cabinet. However, the link that the section directs to is politics of Canada (not an article for the executive), which encompasses much much more than just the PM / Cabinet and the role of the courts play a huge part in Canadian politics, which I will touch on later. We should also consider the recent changes to the government of Canada article and discussion at Talk:Government of Canada, which notes the different meanings of the term government, meaning not just the executive branch but also the state as a whole.

With that in mind... it makes sense to list the monarch and GG because state power is vested in the Crown ; it makes sense to list the prime minister because he leads the activities of not only the executive "Government", but with the "fusion of powers" in parliamentary democracies, he also is the de facto leader of the legislative branch though leading the largest party in the House (being the only party that can submit money bills) and essentially setting the agenda of the legislature. While there is no formal or direct control over parliament's actions, the PM undoubtedly plays an essential role in its activities.

However, the PM does not have the same influence over the courts as he does over parliament or the executive. A representative of the judicial branch is noticeably absent from the infobox.

Another past argument against inclusion are that the role of the courts isn't as notable as that of parliament or the executive, and have cited the United Kingdom's article as an example. The problem with this is that it doesn't account for the fact that the parliament is sovereign in the UK, and the UK supreme court cannot overturn an act of the legislature.

There is a strong tradition of constitutionalism in Canada. Acts of parliament and provincial legislatures are regularly nullified by the supreme court and short of invoking the notwithstanding clause, which only applies in very limited Charter-related cases, there is nothing a legislature can do to legitimize legislation the court has struck down.

Any thoughts on this? —WildComet talk 03:52, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

As per last talk best have a wider talk....personaly for me its a No as per previous reasons... and the fact I believe more junk should be removed from infobox not the other way around ....as of now its a mobile view scrolling nightmare that deters readers.Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 06:26, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
I as a Canadian would love to see it and I disagree with the characterization that adding our Chief Justice would be considered “junk” also the United Kingdom’s and United States articles are longer than Canada’s and I wouldn’t think anyone calls those articles a nightmare that deters mobile viewers and even if it did it shouldn’t matter if it’s called for and in my opinion necessary this article is supposed to show readers our government and putting the Chief Justice is necessary it’s independent provinces frequently take policies federal government issued to the Supreme Court such as carbon pricing in recent times adding the Chief Justice in my opinion is necessary and would inform the public I hope it gets added Black roses124 (talk) 23:52, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I do not recall if I commented in the previous discussion, but it does not make any difference to most Canadians, and I don't think it's worthwhile in the infobox. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
I am also against including the chief justice, mainly due to its low profile compared to the US. Compared to the last time this was discussed, the two of the three countries that were cited as example (Australia, Germany and the USA) have since removed the chief justice from the list with the exception of the US where the supreme court plays a major role in politics. In almost all other countries it does not and I would include Canada in the list of these countries. I dont think that decisions on Carbon Pricing have the same political impact as decisions in the US, such as gay marriage, racial segregation and abortion rights which were essentially decided by the supreme court. Ultimately it comes down to who holds the power (and who people believe holds the power) in government in terms of what people expect to read when they see the term "government of Canada". I think the current selection monarch, GG, PM is fine with me. There are other examples like Switzerland that lists all 7 members of the federal council because they all wield significant power independent of each other and are what people think of as "government", similarly Germany includes Olaf Scholz even though he is vice-chancellor because the government is a CDU-SPD coaliation. --hroest 14:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Canada has three branches of government executive, judicial, and legislative that’s a fact see the link on Canada’s government https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/discover-canada/read-online/canadas-system-government.html executive is Trudeau legislative also Trudeau he’s leader of biggest party and judicial a branch of Canada’s government is not represented because in some peoples eyes it’s not important? Carbon pricing in the west has had an immense impact they’ve created a political party to separate with the rest of Canada because of it. Supreme Court has decided other issues as well such as Carter V Canada saying assisted suicide should be legal it should no longer be illegal or OPCAT Supreme Court decided that it didn’t violate our charter rights and informed indigenous consent is not a veto. At the end of the day its a branch of Canada’s government if you like it or not I could say the monarch isn’t important to Canada government and should be removed from infobox but obviously that’s silly the judicial branch of Canada’s government should be added. Black roses124 (talk) 15:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I meant UNDRIP not OPCAT I apologize Black roses124 (talk) 15:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Black roses124: nobody is claiming that the judicial branch of government isnt a part of government, the question is simply whether they are important enough to be included in the info box. As you may notice, there is also no representation of the legislative branch of government in the box (lower or upper house), right now only the executive is represented. But I am happy to have other people weigh in with their thoughts. --hroest 15:45, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@hroest monarch and Governor General importance should definitely be questioned if adding our Chief Justice isn’t important but yes you are totally right let’s hear what other people have to say Black roses124 (talk) 15:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree in principle with that, however if the infobox states that the form of government is a "Federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy" then the question comes up who the monarch is in this monarchy and I therefore think the monarch should be included for a high level summary. I think we could debate about the GG in the infobox and how relevant that is constitutionally and practically. --hroest 18:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Agree with all of the voices that are stating that the judicial branch of government is not important enough in Canada. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:49, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
I oppose inclusion because the purpose of the info-box is to supply readers with a high level summary of key information. Bloating the box with unimportant information makes it more difficult for readers to find important information.
Incidentally, the Constitution did not create the Supreme Court, it allowed the Canadian parliament to create a "general court of appeal for Canada." (s. 101) The CJ's position in succession to the GG was made by an imperial order in council.
TFD (talk) 17:03, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

We should definitely have a debate on if Governor General should be included in the infobox Black roses124 (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

That' makes more sense to include. More Canadians know the GG's role and who the current GG is (save for the current caretaker) than can name any supreme court judge or who the chief justice is.
On a separate note, could you please learn how to discuss topics on talk pages? Your constant outdents are becoming annoying. Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines has what you need to know. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:15, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
The names of heads of state are typically listed for countries, even though prime ministers are usually more powerful. (Canada is unusual in having a viceroy who performs most of the functions of head of state.) And no, most Canadians cannot name the governor general, unless they do something unusual like the last gg. TFD (talk) 22:51, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
I simply stated that more Canadians know the GG than know the chief justice. I suspect that both are single-digit percentages. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:04, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Pantone?[edit]

Why is the Pantone flag not being used? Why is it not being used? Can someone explain? WikiMakersOfOurTime (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

The svg version that uses Pantone colours (File:Flag of Canada (Pantone).svg) is being used. There was a brief addition of the Mexican flag and then a failed attempt at fixing the vandalism, but it's all correct now. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Economics again[edit]

@Adolphe Lestrange: added a link to File:Canada Product Exports (2019).svg to the economy section of the article. @Moxy: removed it claiming a previous discussion. Adolphe Lestrange restored it rather than opening a discussion and was reverted by @Nikkimaria: claiming it was "not legible". I, in turn questioned that nonsense as it's a thumbnail and if you can't make out the details on a thumbnail, you can click through to see it at full size. Nikkimaria, removed the image rather than reverting me and asked me to take it to the talk page. I ignored the request and restored it and opened a discussion on the editor's talk page who also invoked WP:ONUS. However there is no consensus to remove this image anywhere contrary to Moxy's and Nikkimaria's claim. I just searched the archive for "Canada Product" and found nothing. Exports revealed Talk:Canada/Archive 22#Interesting Graph of Canada's Exports which is unrelated and Talk:Canada/Archive 26#Images is about a lower-quality (and earlier) image. My only concerns are that are exports vital to understanding Canada's economy? That's only one part of the economy. My second concern is the proliferation of images. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

The argument that it is a thumbnail and therefore size is unproblematic is untrue. Even at full size some of the text (even for those squares that include text) is not legible - one of several concerns related to the accessibility of the image. The issues of weighting and proliferation of images, as noted, argue against including the image.
Walter Görlitz, regarding there is no consensus to remove this image: the ONUS policy states quite clearly that the burden to achieve consensus is on those wanting to include the disputed content - in this case yourself and Adolphe Lestrange - not to remove it. Again, please revert your re-addition unless/until discussion here concludes in favour of including the image. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
The argument that it is a thumbnail and problematic is untrue as anyone can click on the image if too small. And ONUS is clear that if CONSENSUS is reached, but you and Moxy are not a consensus and there is no established consensus. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
In the following sentence at ONUS: "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.". In other words, in the absence of consensus for inclusion, the material is excluded. And as I noted, clicking on the image does not result in consistently legible text. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:13, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
The initial click-through (depending on your settings) may be too small, but not the largest version, and certainly not the original svg format, which can be increased to the maximum size your browser allows. In the three I tested (Firefox, Chrome and Edge) that is 500%. If that is too small, the problem ceases to be the size of the image. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Readers should not be expected to have to click through an image to be able to understand it. In general, the best case scenario is that images can be clearly understood at the default thumbnail size (especially as mobile usage dominates readership). An image that has to be expanded should have some reason for appearing more prominent than other images, and even at the expanded 1.3x size of this image, I only find 5 of the boxes legible. CMD (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
But without the image present, readers will not know it exists and it's rather useful at full size. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
There is a very similar image at the main Economy of Canada, which is where I suspect any reader looking for the details presented would go. (Although even there it is not at a great size, it should be shifted and presented at a size large enough to read for the screens which support it.) CMD (talk) 01:47, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
One of 3 graph spamming instance of this week.....hard to keep up with chart spamming lately.Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 12:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
It's not a very good way of presenting the information in an article such as this. The thumbnail is 100% useless. The initial click on it is not very helpful. A subsequent click to the highest resolution works, but now you have the information buried in a format you need to scroll all over to understand. If this information is important it should be in a table somewhere, in the Economics of Canada article, not hidden in an extremely user unfriendly and accessibility nightmare graphic. Canterbury Tail talk 12:38, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Should we revert the mass addition of these?Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 12:43, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
I disagree, I think it's a great way of presenting the information, but this is not the bet article for it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion[edit]

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"Northern half" man is back[edit]

Blocked editor I am the state (talk · contribs) has come back in the form of Facts707 (talk · contribs) has insisting that Canada is in the northern half of the continent. I'm not planning an edit war, but I just thought I'd inform other editors of this. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

They're welcome to try and get a new consensus on the talk page, but a consensus they'll need to get. This has been discussed many times previously, and I'm not aware of that consensus having changed. If they wish to continue that line, they'll need to bring it here for discussion. Canterbury Tail talk 15:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Wow. Firstly I have no idea who I am the state (talk · contribs) is, nor am I or have I ever collaborated with that editor. I also haven't collaborated or discussed any changes with anyone on the Canada page. I edit lots of pages and try to fix obvious typos or errors or glaring omissions when I run across them. In this case, there is no mention of where Canada is in relation to North America in the lead section except in relation to the three oceans. Nor is there any mention that winter is cold in most of Canada (was reverted on that one some years ago on the grounds that the lead was "longstanding"). I didn't realize that "northern half" was so contentious; it is only an approximation and I suppose one could say "northern three-fifths except Alaska" or some such. Secondly, no Canadian or American refers to a "western border" between Canada and the United States, primarily because the Pacific Ocean is thought of as being the primary western edge of the country. The Alaska/Yukon border and the ragged Alaska/British Columbia border happen to be in the northwestern part of Canada which by coincidence is in the northwestern part of North America. Please try to assume good faith and not assume an editor is part of some malicious cabal on the basis of a couple simple edits. Facts707 (talk) 18:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
The term in the article is "southern and western border with the United States". In other words, the border to our south and the one between BC, the Youkon and Alaska is the other. While few people would use "western border", it is, I believe, the correct term. Can you describe it in a different way while making it clear that it is all a border between the two countries, and not just the one that most Canadians think of?
I did assume good faith, but there are certain terms that make it appear as though an editor who 1) used many accounts and 2) often denied knowing anything about the previous accounts has returned.
The archives have the discussions about why Canada is not the northern half of Canada, so I won't re-hash them here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:14, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
  • As I mentioned the last time this issue came around, there is no important difference in meaning between "the northern part" and "the northern half" — the only possible reason to insist on "half" over "part" would be to hammer on the literal implication of exact 50-50 halfness, which would be entirely inaccurate, and in the absence of a perfectly 50-50 split there's no genuine issue to be taken with "part". So there's no reason for you to keep editwarring over this, because it's just not a serious issue on which you've made any important or valuable points for us to consider. Bearcat (talk) 17:38, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

The official name of Canada is "The Dominion of Canada"[edit]

Though rarely used its the official title of the nation and should be represented as such on Wikipedia. Similar to how Australia is listed as "The commonwealth of Australia" though its commonly and usually referred to as just Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IHeartVeronica (talkcontribs) 03:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

We have discussed this before. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

"We have discussed this before." Wow thanks for providing no input or an answer! So can we now discuss actually adding the Dominion of Canada to the info box title? IHeartVeronica

To elaborate on the post above: we have discussed this before and arrived at a consensus against doing that. You can see some of the previous points made here in particular. If you have new arguments to put forward as to why this change should be made feel free to elaborate, ideally with reliable sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
@IHeartVeronica: I'm sorry. Yes, Talk:Canada/Officialname1, but the archives have dozens more. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
That was never the official name, although it was used in official documents. The British North America Act refers to "One Dominion under the Name of Canada." Compare this with the Constitution of Australia which refers to "a Federal Commonwealth under the name of the Commonwealth of Australia." TFD (talk) 07:32, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Canada hasn't been a dominion in decades. It's now a commonwealth realm. GoodDay (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Is the article not clear?Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 15:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Upon Confederation in 1867, Canada was adopted as the legal name for the new country at the London Conference, and the word Dominion was conferred as the country's title.[1] By the 1950s, the term Dominion of Canada was no longer used by the United Kingdom, which considered Canada a "Realm of the Commonwealth".[2] The government of Louis St. Laurent ended the practice of using Dominion in the statutes of Canada in 1951.[3][4]

In 1982, the passage of the Canada Act, bringing the Constitution of Canada fully under Canadian control, referred only to Canada, while later that year the name of the national holiday was changed from Dominion Day to Canada Day.[5] The term Dominion was used to distinguish the federal government from the provinces, though after the Second World War the term federal had replaced dominion.[6]

References

  1. ^ O'Toole, Roger (2009). "Dominion of the Gods: Religious continuity and change in a Canadian context". In Hvithamar, Annika; Warburg, Margit; Jacobsen, Brian Arly (eds.). Holy Nations and Global Identities: Civil Religion, Nationalism, and Globalisation. Brill. p. 137. ISBN 978-90-04-17828-1.
  2. ^ Morra, Irene (2016). The New Elizabethan Age: Culture, Society and National Identity after World War II. I.B.Tauris. p. 49. ISBN 978-0-85772-867-8.
  3. ^ "November 8, 1951 (21st Parliament, 5th Session)". Canadian Hansard Dataset. Retrieved April 9, 2019.
  4. ^ Bowden, J.W.J. (2015). "'Dominion': A Lament". The Dorchester Review. 5 (2): 58–64.
  5. ^ Buckner, Philip, ed. (2008). Canada and the British Empire. Oxford University Press. pp. 37–40, 56–59, 114, 124–125. ISBN 978-0-19-927164-1.
  6. ^ Courtney, John; Smith, David (2010). The Oxford Handbook of Canadian Politics. Oxford University Press. p. 114. ISBN 978-0-19-533535-4.

As stated at the start, Dominion of Canada should be included as the official name (perhaps just in parentheses). The widespread consensus is to simply refer to it as Canada (and plenty of sources were cited supporting that) but that consensus does not somehow justify the exclusion of information. The official name name of the Dominion of Canada was never repealed/officially overwritten by law. See for example the Encyclopedia of Canada. The purpose is to provide information and withholding it serves no reasonably defensible (in the spirit of Wikipedia) logical purpose. Max3218 (talk) 17:46, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

I do not think you read the discussion correctly. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
As the discussion reveals, it was never the official name of the country. TFD (talk) 22:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Oppose the usage of Dominion of Canada, in the intro. GoodDay (talk) 23:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
As mentioned in the previous discussion, the Candaian government and Commonwealth stopped refering to itself as a Dominion after the Second World War. soulscanner (talk) 06:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Look, https://www.leg.bc.ca/dyl/Pages/1867-Dominion-of-Canada-Created-July-1.aspx this is the official legislative assembly of British Columbia, even they stated that the Dominion of Canada was the country's first formal name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magellan Fan (talkcontribs) 03:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

That source absolutely, positively does not say that. All it says is that the colonies were joined into one entity, which the statement itself refers to formulaically as the "Dominion of Canada". Largoplazo (talk) 03:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I even have more proof that the Dominion of Canada is the rightful former formal name. This time by the Canadian Museum of History: https://www.historymuseum.ca/history-hall/birth-of-the-dominion/ User:Magellan Fan (talk) 19:34, 13 December 2021 (PST)

I come back with more proof by History this time: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/canadian-independence-day User:Magellan Fan (talk) 19:36, 13 December 2021 (PST)

Best not look at overview type websites....stick with scholarly publications that go into depth and analyze the topic....like the ones in the article or at Dominion#From Dominions to Commonwealth realms.Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 03:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
How many more "proofs" are you going to bring us that, themselves, use the styling "Dominion of Canada" in the course of relating the birth of the country, while saying nothing about that being its official name? It's like presenting a dozen sources all stating "Prime Minister Trudeau was born in 1971" as proof that his official name at birth was "Prime Minister Trudeau". Largoplazo (talk) 04:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Additions to the country infobox[edit]

There are a few items that could be added to the infobox which are seen on the pages for other countries. I previously added some of these myself, but the page was reverted with a message saying to discuss the content here first.

First would be the Great Seal of Canada. Official government insignia like this is also present on the pages of France, Japan, and the United States. It would seem appropriate to put it up for Canada as well.

Next would be chief justice of Canada being included. They take on the role of administrator of Canada when there is no governor general and lead the judiciary branch. I would say they are an important part of the government.

There could also be official languages recognized in the territories included. Regional languages are listed for many countries on Wikipedia like the United Kingdom and India. They would only need to be marked as being recognized on the territorial level.

Finally, the steps of independence from the United Kingdom could include the admission of British colonies into Confederation. Many other country pages include states they had united with in their independence or formation process. It would make sense to include British Columbia, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland for Canada. UAmtoj (talk) 16:36, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

The Great Seal of Canada has been discussed ad nauseam in the past; it simply cannot be included here, because it falls under Crown copyright, which is not compatible with Wikipedia copyright as it does not permit reuse in commercial contexts.
Listing the Chief Justice has been discussed in the past as well, and resulted in a consensus not to. In fact, the last discussion is still just further up this very page, and hasn't even been archived yet. Bearcat (talk) 20:27, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Ah, my apologies on missing the post on the chief justice. What about the provincially recognized languages and the steps to independence? UAmtoj (talk) 23:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
The purpose of info-boxes is to provide key information at a glance. If readers want detailed information, that's what the article is for. There is already excessive information. TFD (talk) 00:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Regarding the Great Seal, while I do not really care about its inclusion, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Seal_of_Canada.png lists it as being in the public domain. Unbeatable101 (talk) 20:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

History section too long[edit]

The History section is too long and can be condensed. A few specific issues.soulscanner (talk) 17:12, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

We have a short history section compared to most.--Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 18:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Leif Erikson's presence in Canada[edit]

Noted in edits that there is no direct evidence of Leif Erikson's presence in Canada. Moved cited references to Leif Erikson to L'Anse aux Meadows where speculation about his role is discussed in detail. There is too much speculative content around the presence of Vikings in Canada (Norse sagas, Inuit oral history, Newfoundland traditions) to include in this section to balance the subject properly.soulscanner (talk) 17:12, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Restored...as per previous talk....some you were involved with and per the sources removed....perhaps a review https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/leif-ericsson . You been trying to remove this for over a decade now.....whats really odd is this edit that implied he buld L'Anse aux Meadows. Stop guesswork pls. --Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 18:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

The definition of Metis[edit]

Reference to Metis as 'mixed blood" is at best antiquated and at worst racist, relying on old, disproven ideas of race. Why is it relevant that Metis are "mixed blood" and not that the Inuit and First nations "pure blood"? The term also does not appear in the reference attached to the sentence. It should suffice to define Metis as decendants of local first Nations and European fur traders. Even this is which is not relevant, because many First Nations and Inuit people have "mixed ancestry" as well. Better yet, allow the wikilink to define the term as is done with First Nation and Inuit. All of these definitions are complex and cannot really be defined in one sentence. It will also save space. soulscanner (talk) 17:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

So common that books use the term Metis: Mixed Blood Stories.....but will change it to "mixed-descent" as per https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/metis .Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 18:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2021[edit]

Change the name "Canada" to the "Dominion of Canada" as the official name for Canada. BooklingWiki (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

No - see above. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:01, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Native names of Canada in Infobox?[edit]

Should any indigenous names of Canada be used in the infobox under the official English/French name ("Canada"), especially under the "Native Name" template, as is the case with New Zealand with Maori, for example? I fully understand that there aren't any official languages of Canada besides French and English, but I feel as though it might be worthwhile to include some more common indigenous language names (e.g. "ᑳᓇᑖ" in Cree and "ᑲᓇᑕ" in Inuktitut), if only to provide representation to them. NipponGinko (talk) 20:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

No...Native Name does not mean indigenous names....it means " native language" like Federal Republic of Germany =Bundesrepublik Deutschland.--Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 22:37, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
In addition to Maori being one of two official languages in NZ, the Maori had a name for the country before European settlement. Aboriginal Canadians had no conception of Canada as a country and all the aboriginal names are just Canada spelled using their individual alphabets. So I don't see a parallel. TFD (talk) 23:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Independence of Canada[edit]

might suggest adding Canada gained its independence from Britain in 1867 and France in 1763 Alanldn21 (talk) 03:06, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

The former isn't true (which is explained in the Early 20th century section: "the Statute of Westminster 1931 affirmed Canada's independence") and the latter follows from what's said in the second paragraph of the lead section. Largoplazo (talk) 03:30, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Asking when Canada became independent is like asking how long is a string. Independent in what? Able to independently modify its own Constitution? 1982. Independent citizenship? 1947. Independent foreign policy? Arguably 1939. Independent domestic control? 1867. Canada isn't the US, there is no "independence day". trackratte (talk) 14:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
For most former colonies, independance was achieved by the UK parliament giving up their right to legislate for them, at which point they received international recognition. In Canada's case, both of these occured long after the country was independent. But which date that occured is unclear. TFD (talk) 05:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2021[edit]

I would like to change this anthem file for God Save the Queen (File:State Ceremonial Music - God Save the Queen.ogg) to be licensed as Open Government License. 49.150.116.127 (talk) 06:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The original file on Wikimedia Commons is already licensed as such.  Ganbaruby! (talk) 08:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Not done The suggested file is not actually licensed under OGL so is not suitable, here or anywhere. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2021[edit]

50.255.107.29 (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC) pleasew
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:59, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Oldest settlement in Canada[edit]

@Dunutubble: Let me start the discussion. There is sourced content at St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador#The oldest European settlement in North America controversy that argues against your claim that St. John's is "the oldest settlement in Canadian history". The second problem is, even if it were true, you are inserting it between sourced content and its reference. It should be added after it. The third problem is the grammar. It would read better, if it were true, as "the oldest settlement in Canada"; history is unnecessary and a general rule for good prose is removing unnecessary words. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz - I'm sorry. Dunutubble (talk) 22:31, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I see you offered to source the content, so please do. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:38, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Start with entry level intro to topic here. If still confusion can supply academic publications.Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 23:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
  • And that article is about North America while Dunutubble was claiming it was just in Canada, and the CBC article does not enter that discussion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:29, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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