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Dominion of Canada

Hey guys, Canadian here. I just read the whole “legal name is Canada” thing when you try to edit the page, and that’s bullshit. We are officially named the Dominion of Canada. I would like to rectify this issue very much, and ask that yanks who know nothing about Canada stop trying to make the argument that we aren’t officially the Dominion of Canada. Thank you! 2001:569:7D60:A100:8D79:31F:E0E9:2A94 (talk) 05:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Please see the talk page discussions linked above. Canterbury Tail talk 12:42, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

See also sources at Name of Canada#Use of Dominion. Moxy- 15:33, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

But Canada has a prime minister, and considers the British monarch it's chief of state, so the

Dominion (noun). Merriam-Webster Dictionary: "a self-governing nation of the Commonwealth of Nations other than the United Kingdom that acknowledges the British monarch as chief of state"

should apply . . . I guess? Juan Camilo Lugo (malungkot si accla, kausapin niyo naman) 23:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The term Dominion was no longer used by the United Kingdom, which considered Canada a "Realm of the Commonwealth" Moxy- 12:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Why does this keep coming up? Thanks, Moxy for replying. It must test your patience. Alaney2k (talk) 13:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

A little late to the conversation, but as far as I know, the legal name of the country was the Dominion of Canada before Canada gained independence from the United Kingdom. Thus using "Dominion of Canada" is correct. The Dominion of Canada redirect was originally created to link to Canada. Can it be changed back please? Mjroots (talk) 06:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Section 3 of the Constitution Act, 1867 provides that the new country « shall form and be One Dominion under the Name of Canada ». That means that Canada is the name. « dominion » was to indicate that it wasn’t a colony, but was not fully independent. Canada has been fully independent since the Statute of Westminster nearly a century ago. It is no longer a dominion. The redirect therefore links to the history of the name, not to article on Canada, because that would suggest that Canada is still a Dominion, which it is not. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

As well, the American dictionary definition cited by Juan Camilo Lugo is incorrect. It uses the present tense, but the term « Dominion » has not been used since the 1950s, as a result of the constitutional evolution of Canada and other Commonwealth realms. In addition, Canada does not acknowledge the British monarch as its head of state. The Queen of Canada is Canada’s head of state. I wouldn’t rely on a general American dictionary to get Commonwealth constitutionalism right. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The Queen is not the head of state; she is merely the wife of the King of Canada, who actually is the head of state. Indefatigable (talk) 15:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Quite right. I'm still getting used to it.  :) Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

It was not the "legal name", but what it was called. It has however gradually fallen out of use and the term dominion has been replaced with the term Commonwealth realm. TFD (talk) 14:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

There is now a proposal to change the redirect: Redirects for Discussion: Dominion of Canada Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think there are good reasons to change it. And no good reason to use Dominion of Canada except in historical discussion, not in the naming of locations, which seems to be the real reason behind the request to change the redirect. Alaney2k (talk) 18:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and in the naming of some trains. :-) Alaney2k (talk) 18:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• Country title = Dominion - Country name = Canada.
• How Canada Lost Its 'Dominion'? Rayburn, A. (2001). Naming Canada: Stories about Canadian Place Names. Heritage Collection. University of Toronto Press. pp. 17-24. ISBN 978-0-8020-8293-0.

History

The history organization doesn't make a lot of sense at the moment - the last paragraph of the first subsection covers interactions with Indigenous peoples up to pretty much the present day, but then the other subsections proceed largely chronologically. I think chronological rather than thematic organization makes more sense, but that requires us to put that content elsewhere. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

This is the normal layout Canadians will see when looking up the topic. An overview section with details in the time period sections. I think we should mimic academic resources people will use for research.

• Finlay, J.L.; Sprague, D.N. (1984). The Structure of Canadian History. Prentice-Hall Canada. ISBN 978-0-13-854364-8. Retrieved September 10, 2023.
• "Early History". The Canada Guide. July 28, 2023. Retrieved September 10, 2023.
• Conrad, M. (2012). A Concise History of Canada. Cambridge Concise Histories. Cambridge University Press. p. 7. ISBN 978-0-521-76193-2. Retrieved September 10, 2023.
• Canada, Citizenship (September 1, 2009). "Canada's History". Canada.ca. Retrieved September 10, 2023.

Moxy- 15:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry... so Moxy, are you saying you prefer thematic or chronological? I assume chronological but just want to be sure. —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:50, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

As it is now....like this Moxy- 12:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

In that case, should we move the graves out of the contemporary section and into the Indigenous section? Nikkimaria (talk) 22:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

We could...but the article as a whole I find talks about Indigenous people as a have not part of society... just victims. Only in the indigenous and culture section do we talk in a positive light somewhat. Right now we have an Indigenous overview section with more details throughout the history sections about residential schools, displacement and legal status. If we could rewrite the indigenous section to be about chronological history per- colonization we could just let the other sections deal as they do with these topics. But I don't see how we can really write 3 or 4 more paragraphs about an undocumented history. Oral history traditions of most indigenous peoples in North America (my Nation as well) are more about myths and spirituality rarely about historical events.Moxy- 01:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Audio removed?

In scrolling through the Spoken Wikipedia Project's articles list, it seems that there used to be a recording of this article, but it was removed for some reason. Why is this? The file is outdated by a bit, but it's still relevant enough to the topic at hand: File:En-Canada.ogg iRDM 02:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

It is outdated by a lot - it's dated 2008. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

"47th Canadian federal election" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect 47th Canadian federal election has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 16 § 47th Canadian federal election until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:50, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

MV Missourian (1921))

A discussion is taking place at talk:MV Missourian (1921)#Dominion of Canada. Please feel free to join the discussion. Mjroots (talk) 06:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Just realised, this is the talk page of the article about the country, so technically my post shouldn't be here as it's not aimed at improving the article. That said, there doesn't appear to be a "WikiProject Canada", so this is probably the best place to post the notice in order to get more editors taking part in the discussion. Mjroots (talk) 06:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Canada .......................Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 20#Dominion of CanadaMoxy- 12:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

And the redirect was left as is: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 27#Dominion of Canada. —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 September 2023

Change population from 39,739,633 (Q2 2023) to 40,097,761 (Q3 2023) based on the quarterley population estimates published by Statistics Canada (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=04&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2022&cubeTimeFrame.endMonth=07&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20220401%2C20230701) 207.162.26.52 (talk) 15:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

 Already done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 02:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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Change population from 39,739,633 to 40,097,761 based on 2023 Q3 estimates. Source can be found here:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901 Gorfj (talk) 18:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

 Already done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 02:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 September 2023 (3)

change population_estimate = 39,858,480 Jonaharnold (talk) 23:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

 Question: If you mean update the population, this has already been done. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 02:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2023

Some facts in this Canada in this is wrong and i would like to fix it The Information Guy23 (talk) 14:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@The Information Guy23:  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GoingBatty (talk) 14:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Developed v. highly developed

Shouldn't Canada be listed as a highly developed country in the lead? It has the 15th highest HDI in the world and the 4th highest median equivalent adult income. Is there any procedural consensus surrounding this?

Or is it mostly up to prudential judgement? KlayCax (talk) 02:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

What additional understanding would that provide a reader? Interestingly enough, when I google "highly developed country", not a single one of the results on what I suppose used to be the first page actually includes the term "highly developed country". CMD (talk) 02:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 November 2023

I think it would be worth integrating in the box (in the government section) the following officeholders: the Speaker of the Senate (representing the legislature), the Speaker of the House of Commons (representing the legislature) and the Chief Justice (representing the judiciary). There are a variety of models, I think introducing these officeholders would be useful. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 15:34, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done as per prvious talks.