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Please add the Canadian Coat of Arms beside the flag at the top of the page. 137.122.64.159 (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Do you have one we can use? There are two options (discussed above and in the archives). The one, which is the correct coat, is copyrighted and cannot be used on this article. The other one, which may be correct in terms of heraldry, has been excluded for use in the article because it does not look sufficiently familiar to Canadians. So unless you have one that closely resembles the legal coat, we have decided, as a project, not to include one. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
It's not clear why the chief justice would be included alongside other leaders. The monarch of Canada is Canada's official leader, by law, or de jure. Next is the Governor General. The de facto leader is the Prime Minister, and there is an order of succession within government, but I do not understand under which rules the chief justice would become the leader of the nation. @Jmcollier: do you care to explain or are you happy not to make edits like this again? Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
To be fair, I just checked five other countries which have "supreme" courts to see how they handled it — and three of them, the United States, Australia and Germany, do include the Chief Justice in the infobox in this manner, while New Zealand and the United Kingdom do not, so it's a common though by no means a universal thing for country articles to do. But the judicial system is a branch of government, so its leader does have a valid claim to being considered a leader of the country — certainly not in the same sense that Justin Trudeau and Lizzy Windsor are, but still the leader of a coequal branch of government. And, in fact, should Julie Payette die in office or resign suddenly before the end of her term, then do you know who immediately becomes the acting governor general until Justin Trudeau can find or appoint a new permanent one? The Chief Justice. (It's even actually happened in Canadian history. Twice.) So there are valid grounds to consider him a "leader", and that is done in many (though not all) other countries' articles as well — so please keep any discussion on the level of the reasons why we should or shouldn't include it, rather than criticizing other editors for having a different but valid opinion. Bearcat (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Shall I self-revert while we discuss? Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm not concerned about that, or even all that interested in expressing a personal opinion either way about whether we should or not. I'm concerned only about the way in which you phrased your original post as if Jmcollier was objectively wrong, rather than just possessed of a different opinion than yours. Bearcat (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Understood. I clearly did not know, which is why it was restored after being removed. No edit summary was provided so I was left without a reason, but you have provided a valid one. I should have explained it was the lack of reason that was problematic. Not sure I explained it well though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Info-boxes are supposed provide key information readers for readers. The Supreme Court of Canada does not have the same high profile as it does in the U.S. Neither does the speaker of the lower house for that matter. If we decide to include it however, we should ensure that the number of office-holders does not become excessive. And yeah the fact that the Chief Justice is the deputy Governor General and its historical roots in the governor hearing appeals from Canadian courts is interesting but not that important to the overall topic. TFD (talk) 00:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Have no clue why we would list Court system of Canada officials under Government of Canada ....they are not one and the same ....bet you 100 bucks there in the other articles because one editor spammed them all over.--Moxy (talk) 02:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
If it's true that they have acted a GG in rare exceptions, and the constitution makes the claim, then it would make sense to do so. That should be explained with references in the article though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:02, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Also, when they are unavailable, each of the other justices can serve as deputy governor general. Should we include them all? And can 1 in 10 Canadians name the governor general or supreme court chief justice? TFD (talk) 05:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Can they? Is there a source to support that they can, in lack of availability of the chief justice, and demise of the GG, be acting GG? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Isn't the court system of Canada independent from Parliament? If it is, you're leaving out the leader of an entire branch of Canadian governance and I simply don't see why. - Bokmanrocks01 (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
If the court system is independent, they are not part of government. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
"Government" has three branches: legislative (Parliament), executive (Queen Lizzy → Julie Payette) and judicial (the courts). They serve different roles within the structure of governance, but are all coequal branches of government. Bearcat (talk) 13:15, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Box is for executive branch (in Canada's case elected ministers) the many others ones like Judiciary branch are appointed. The problem is that this has been spamed all over..... think we should take this up a level community-wide and see if we should remove these all over.--Moxy (talk) 22:31, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
The term government has several meanings, one of which considers the executive, legislature and judiciary as part of the government. (See Separation of powers.) That does not mean leaders of all three branches should be in the info-box, it depends on how significant their roles are seen. Chief Justice Roberts and Speaker Ryan are high profile and powerful, Chief Justice Wagner and Speaker Regan much less so. TFD (talk) 03:37, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree with both statements: we should take it up a level (or even two) and I don't think it belongs in the infobox, at least not for Canada. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:34, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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(Invited to the discussion through a message on my talk page by Moxy) I am of the opinion that we should take this on a case-by-case—or should I say 'country-by-country'— basis. I concur with Moxy's view that this should be discussed and debated in a community-wide thread, but, I disagree with Walter Görlitz's opinion that judicial and legislative leaders don't belong in the infobox. To give the example of my nation, India, the positions of the Lok Sabha speaker and the chief justice are considered very high-profile, especially the latter, because of the independence judiciary enjoys in the nation (as I pointed over at Talk:India#A gallery of political and non-political leaders in the government sub-section, the judiciary has the power to strike down even constitutional amendments if they're in violation with the 'basic structure' of the nation's constitution'). Yes, in certain nations with uncodified constitutions and absolute parliamentary supremacy/monarchy, the president/prime minister/chancellor/monarch/doctor/dictator/yo mama's word is basically law, and in their articles, it's basically fruitless to add entries for other leaders, but in countries following separation of powers among the judiciary, the legislature and the executive (and the auditor and civil service commission, as in Taiwan), I am very much of the opinion that leaders of all branches of the government, as a whole, should be included. (Basically resonating The Four Deuces view that an official's significance must be taken into account for their inclusion in the infobox.) Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 06:22, 28 August 2018 (UTC); edited 06:24, 28 August 2018 (UTC).
I just don't see how these images would help anyone understand the article. There are not historically significant yet..... and highlighting them over major historical figures doesn't make sense in an overview article that is not about individuals.... nor the main article about government. Images of historical buildings like the Supreme Court Etc would be more educational for these sections. --Moxy (talk) 06:36, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
@Moxy: yeah that I kind of agree with now, but my point was about the inclusion of leaders in the infobox, and not about images in the general body of the article. Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 06:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
The lead lists [kanadɑ] as the French pronunciation of "Canada". Technically speaking, [kanada] is the French pronunciation, and [kanadɑ] is the Canadian French pronunciation. I suggest the lead reads "Canadian French" as opposed to "French" (as it once did). What do you think? It's just a minor detail (to give more accurate information), so I'm just being technical here. Israell (talk) 13:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
What is the problem in adding Coat of arms to the article??????[edit]
Why we can't add the Coat of arms of Canada with the fact that not adding it is not justified enough under the pretext of the non widespread use of the Coat of arms as official, although it is used frequently in; documents and government transactions and official bodies. This indicates that the Coat of arms has been officially used since 1987, it was adopted by Queen Elizabeth II and the representative of the Queen represented in the General-Governor; it was also passed to the Parliament and it was approved as well as this was done with the Senate and the House of Commons. Zozr789 (talk) 07:35, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
The problem, as has been explained eleventy squillion times in the past, is a WP:COPYRIGHT issue. The official rendition is under Crown copyright, which is not compatible with Wikipedia's copyright requirements and cannot be used, and any alternate version that could be made compliant with Wikipedia's copyright rules would, by definition, be an inaccurate depiction of the real coat of arms. This is the most tiresome discussion in all of Wikipedia, and it needs to go away forever and never come back again. (Yes, I know it won't. Sigh.) Bearcat (talk) 13:51, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
@Zozr789: Copyright. The coat of arms is copyrighted since it dates from the 1990s. However, the great seal dates from the 1950s and is thus public domain and free of copyright since any copyright expired long ago, so if you want to add that to the article you can; it'd be much appreciated by this Wikipedian. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 19:41, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
The Great seal is used by the Governor General to stamp official documents. It is not a recognizable symbol. TFD (talk) 20:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)