Talk:Canon law of the Catholic Church

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Eastern Canon Law[edit]

This article needs aditional information on the Code of Canon Law of the Eastern Churches. Alternatively, someone could create a separate article on Eastern Canon Law. I'd love to do it but don't know enough on the subject and don't have appropriate reference resources on hand. Majoreditor 03:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Seeing the same need as you do, I recently created the article "Oriental canon law" as a general article on the canon law of the Eastern Catholic Churches. Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 01:58, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Missing sections, unverified claims[edit]

This article is missing information on:

  • extent and structure of the code (penal code, common, civic...???)
  • applicability and scope
  • interoperability with "local secular law"

Unverified and fuzzy phrases: "fully developed legal system", "fully articulated legal code" Richiez (talk) 10:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I have added refs to both these phrases from reputable sources. Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 16:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
For the structure of the code, see Code of Canon Law. Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 16:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

thou shall not take the name of the lord in vane[edit]

why does no one initate thetaking of the lord in vane. I know knights who were outrite takers of the name of Jesus in vane--it has to be a mortal sin.why does the church put up with it? someone take the ball and carry it--how can one go to confession and not be absolved of this sin---the church turned its back on us but it is bigger than me to change it. bob bruno — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

1. Do not confuse morality with canon law. Canon law does have provisions against some things meant with the second commandment, to wit blasphemy and perjury, others are just sins which are dealt with by confessors, and others - I'm inclined to say - that are hold to be sins in English-speaking mentality are not sinful at all. 2. You can be absolved of the sin if you go to Confession... but then I'm not quite sure what you wanted to say.-- (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Coercive force[edit]

It lacks the coercive force present in most legal systems.
Doubt that. It has excommunication, and lesser penalties. They are meant to be coercive, and excepting the religiously indifferent, plus the very rare species of heretic who, in an approximation of Chesterton's words, rather excommunicates the Church that acknowledge it really is the Church that is excommunicating him, they are.-- (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I researched this and changed the article to reflect your point, since I found secondary literature that used the wording of coercive penalties. Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 15:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 11 July 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Cannot read a clear consensus for moves for now following this discussion. Some pages seem to be more discussed than others. Consider breaking this RM into pieces (like the first 3 or last 2 (mention other pages here for better context)?) if further discussion is warranted. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 01:53, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

– To introduce some WP:CONSISTENCY and improve PRECISION. This will (1) reconcile the inconsistency between Catholic canon law articles disambiguated imprecisely as (Catholic Church) with those disambiguated as (canon law), and (2) improve the precision of the (canon law) disambiguator by specifying that it is Catholic canon law in question. UPDATE: Per Randy Kryn's comments, I've amended the clerical celibacy entry. It did not deal primarily with canon law. The new nomination for that article's title addresses its WP:NATURAL issue. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 16:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC), amended 20:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Omni Flames (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Neutral problem fixed, not knowledgeable enough on the overall topics to nay or yay. Oppose until you go through each one and make sure the move is appropriate. The 'Clerical celibacy' article has little to do with canon law, and there's another one out of the three I checked which doesn't fit. Please limit the scope of this RM to applicable articles. Thanks. Randy Kryn 19:33, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I just went through them all to double-check. The only one that's questionable is the clerical celibacy article; I've amended that entry of the nomination. Other than that, they all refer to the main topic "in Catholic canon law" or "in the (jurisprudence of) canon law of the Catholic Church"; or in the case of the seal of the confessional, deals primarily with Catholic canon law, modern and historical, except for the section on its application to civil law. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 20:46, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Pinging Randy Kryn. Do you still oppose? Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 18:07, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the ping. Will go through and study this, probably tomorrow. I'm often surprised, but not as much anymore, how few editors comment on these moves. Randy Kryn 19:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
but not Canon law (Catholic Church)Catholic canon law
I think, that to match the Oriental canon law, redirects from Catholic canon law and Latin canon law are just as precise. —BoBoMisiu (talk) 14:55, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I agree it's equally precise, but the current title Canon law (Catholic Church) is not as natural as it could be. The disambiguator could easily be taken out of the parentheses, either as Catholic canon law (in the vein of Catholic theology, Catholic ecclesiology, etc.) or, less desirably, as Canon law of the Catholic Church (in the vein of Sacraments of the Catholic Church). Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 15:11, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Mmmm, then Canon law (Catholic Church)Canon law of the Catholic Church is my preference, per type-of-thing in a scope or a range. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 15:42, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
@BoBoMisiu: But then we have to consider WP:CONCISE; clearly "Catholic canon law" is more concise than "Canon law of the Catholic Church", and equally precise. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 15:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Pinging @BoBoMisiu:Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 18:07, 16 July 2016 (UTC); again 22:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose all – I see no benefit in touching anything there. — JFG talk 23:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Support all per PRECISE. ✉cookiemonster✉ 𝚨755𝛀 18:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose all - I agree with JFG; I see no benefit in touching anything there. Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 22:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

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