Talk:Cardinals created by Francis

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Seperate article in the near future[edit]

Hi, I noticed this list gives more information then the usual lists on this topic. I think that most info on the list right now is about 22 February 2014, and as soon as we have several consistories it can be moved to a seperate article like March 2006 Consistory. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 12:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Separate articles for each consistory are probably not a good idea. The one you cite seems to be the only one. There's no reason not to provide more coverage that the skimpy list of names found in other entries like Cardinals created by John Paul II. If the article gets too long in a few years, it can be dealt with. Bmclaughlin9 (talk)

Nationality of Kelvin Edward Felix[edit]

I replaced the flag of Dominica with that of Saint Lucia, since the Holy See Press Office counts him as an Saint Lucian cardinal (see [1]) Gugganij (talk) 22:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

The heading on that column is "Birth Country". I'm opposed to having that column at all, whatever the heading or contents. And I'd love to see the flags removed even if the column stays. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 22:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Ah, sorry. I didn't realize that it's birth country. However, Ricardo Ezzati Andrello, the archbishop of Santiago de Chile, was born in Italy, and that looks really weird now. I somehow think it's not right to "count" a Chilean cardinal as Italian. Gugganij (talk) 19:29, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree! I don't think nationality is very useful here. And Felix' diocese (Castries) is international. And he's emeritus anyway. The use of flags on these WP articles only goes back to the Cardinals created by Benedict XVI entry, which lacks the far more useful title info. Note also that having both the country name and the flag is repetitive. Some of the flags few will recognize. If we have to state the country like Côte d'Ivoire, the flag icon for the country is just decor that slows download time.

I propose removing the column "Birth Country" and adding the country info where appropriate to the person's title, like making Archbishop of Cotabato read Archbishop of Cotabato, Philippines. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 19:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

That looks fine to me. Gugganij (talk) 19:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Done. I'm going to take a look at College of Cardinals now, which uses flags very badly. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 21:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

traditional 'cardinal sees'[edit]

It seems the custom now is not to create a cardinal where their predecessor is still eligible to vote in a conclave.

With bishops being obliged to tender their resignations at 75, and cardinals being eligible to vote at a conclave until they hit 80, more and more traditional 'cardinal sees' are likely to fall cardinal-less for a period. The text at Manuel José Macário do Nascimento Clemente#Patriarch of Lisbon highlights both the expectations and the change this custom seems to represent.

BUT, as it seems to be a custom rather than a rule, I've not been able to find a reference. Can anybody help raise this above a bit of WP:OR and make it fit to add to the article? Bazj (talk) 17:15, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

It is not a rule. it's called an "unwritten rule" here but I don't know when it dates from. It seems more relevant to the WP entry about the college of cardinals than this entry.
And there are two interrelated phenomena. One are archbishops of "traditional" cardinalate sees that have to wait, as in your examples, and others who just wait and *never* get the red hat, because Francis is to some extent disassociating the see/hat connection. That second phenomenon is very Francis and mentioned in this entry. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 19:22, 14 February 2015 (UTC)