Talk:Carl von Ossietzky

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More about activities leading to Nobel Prize?[edit]

This article needs additional information about his activities and journalism that lead to the Nobel Prize. Right now, the info is restricted to "Ossietzky had been a constant warning voice for many years" — the ambiguous and bare. There's more in this little BBC article about 2010's NP winner than there is in Wikipedia: I came over to Wikipedia to read deeper, and it's just not there. Anybody care to take this on? Molly-in-md (talk) 13:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Confusing bit[edit]

His daughter achieved that the case was reopened in the late 1980-ies, men the conviction of high treason and espionage was finally confirmed by the German Supreme Court in 1992.

This was removed for being confusing. Can someone repair and reinsert? Thanks, Sam [Spade] 14:58, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Good job, thanx. Sam [Spade] 00:18, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

1935 or 36[edit]

this article seems to specifically state he got the 1936 prize.

i quote: Ossietzky's candidacy for the Peace Prize was first suggested in 1934. Berthold Jacob, a companion in many a cause, may have been the first to formulate an actual plan to secure the nomination. The idea was taken up by his colleagues in the German League for Human Rights4, by Hellmut von Gerlach, a former associate on Die Weltbühne who undertook a letterwriting campaign from Paris, by organizations and famous people in many parts of the world. The nomination for 1934 arrived too late; the prize for 1935 was reserved in that year but in 1936 was voted to Ossietzky.

At this point, Ossietzky, ill with tuberculosis, had little time left to live, but the government refused to release him from the concentration camp and demanded that he decline the Nobel Prize, a demand that Ossietzky did not honor. The German Propaganda Ministry declared publicly that Ossietzky was free to go to Norway to accept the prize, but secret police documents indicate that Ossietzky was refused a passport, and, although allowed to enter a civilian hospital, was kept under constant surveillance until his death in May, 1938.

The German press was forbidden to comment on the granting of the prize to Ossietzky, and the German government decreed that in the future no German could accept any Nobel Prize.

Ossietzky's last public appearance was at a short court hearing at which his lawyer was sentenced to two years at hard labor for embezzling most of Ossietzky's prize money.

The quote from the nobel site: "The nomination for 1934 arrived too late; the prize for 1935 was reserved in that year but in 1936 was voted to Ossietzky," could read that he won the 1936 prize, but could also read that in 1936 the Nobel committee voted to give him the 1935 prize. In any case, whether the sentence is filled with typos or just very poorly worded, the page clearly indicates that he won the 1935 prize. (talk) 22:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
After reading through and digesting the info at the Nobel site, it appears that the Nobel committee voted to "reserve" (ie, not award) the Peace prize in 1935; however, in *1936* they voted to give the 1935 prize to Ossietzky; the ceremonies held in 1936 included the awarding of both the 1935 and 1936 prizes. (talk) 08:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Erroneous Cats?[edit]

Von Ossietzky is placed in the categories of German Nobility and German Jews. I can find no sources on the internet to support either of these. His father was a civil servant from a Polish/German border town who carried a Polish surname -- an unlikely candidate for being of the German Nobility. Also I can find no mention of him being a Jew, either in this article, or the extensive German and Hebrew WP articles (both of which I'd expect would mention it). Nor is there any mention in the Nobel bio or the Shoa website bio, also places where I'd assume they'd mention it if he were Jewish. Unless anyone can find otherwise, perhaps in a dead trees source, these two cats should be removed from this article. (talk) 09:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Cats removed. Please restore if a cite is found. (talk) 12:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Being a civil servant carrying a Polish surname certainly did not make a person "an unlikely candidate for being of the German Nobility". First off, Germany has a large nobility, not all nobles are particularly rich. Many of them have been civil servants. Secondly, quite a lot of the German noble families have Polish origin and Polish surnames (sometimes with more or less germanized spelling). The von name part does usually, but with some exceptions, indicate nobility. Especially in the case of a name of Polish origin, it would be likely that the person was noble if he carried the name part von, provided it was a legitimate name part (von is used in the names of some north-western non-noble families as well, the name name Ossietzky does not indicate such a background, but rather an eastern background). HenryWord (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
A "von" is a member of German nobility. (talk) 10:23, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Not necessarily, but in the case of a person from Silesia, it usually is. It is correct that Ossiezky was not Jewish. His father was a Lutheran, his mother was a Catholic. Gudrunwest (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

This is all nice speculation, but the fact remains that no reliable source has been cited indicating that he was nobility. Cat removed. (talk) 08:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Haakon VII boycott?[edit]

The article states that Haakon VII of Norway boycotted the 1935 Nobel Peace Prize award ceremony. Given Haakon's later anti-Nazi activities, is there a citation for this? Wi2g Wi2g 18:09, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

new sub-section[edit]

I'm going to add a new sub section called something like: "1935 Nobel Peace Prize". This is because I intend to add a "Redirect" on a new page of the same name. LP-mn (talk) 14:14, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

1992 ruling is outrageous[edit]

The decision to uphold a law without consideration of the consequences under which it was broken is ridiculous and childish (see Kohlberg's Moral Reasoning Model), but not inconsistent with the German people'e opinion that Nazi's "weren't all bad." — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Religious background of the parents[edit]

What got this to do with anything? Why is it important to point out that the _parents_ have different religious backgrounds? As an atheist, I find that often rather disturbing, esp. when there's no link to the article's quintessence. Using words like "devout mother.." which is not backed up at all, makes me feel like this article has been written by a "devout" person which is O.K. for him/her but is far away from a factual statement. As reference and from what I could understand there is no such information on the Polski nor German WP. In fact when reading the source for the whole paragraph[2]: "O. wuchs nach dem frühen Tod des Vaters in sozial beengten Verhältnissen auf, zunächst bei einer streng kath. Tante, nach der neuerlichen Heirat der Mutter in deren ev. geprägter Familie." it seems that the aunt was rather "devout" no word about the mother.. Anyhow. My point being, no one would write "Steves Jobs, a Catholic, was founder of Apple...." IMHO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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Ossietzky Prize[edit]

This article talks about "Ossietzky Medal" awarded by the International League for Human Rights. Is this the same as the Ossietzky Prize that tme media are mentioning now that it was won by Edward Snowden? According to [1] it is awarded by Norsk PEN, so perhaps it is a different award. Either way it should be clarified/added in the legacy section. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)