Talk:Clemson–South Carolina rivalry

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USC Fans Throws Trash from stands[edit]

I think it is pretty notable to have a fan base throw bottles and garbage onto the field and at the opposing team. Is this the first time that they have done this? Or is this a pattern of conduct by the fan base? Carolina kid (talk) 22:40, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

I think it would be interesting to look into. Has this rivalry caused any additions of stadium rules for behavior like this? Any thoughts?Carolina kid (talk) 22:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
So I'll look for consensus, anyone think it's worthwhile to look into for an included topic for behavior/incidents coming from the stand specific to this rivalry? I don't want to waste my time researching it if someone like garnet and black is just going to delete all of my discussion in talk on it. Carolina kid (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Texas and Miami have both recently littered the field with trash during a game as well. Carolina kid (talk) 23:15, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
He'll attempt to delete anything that makes SC look bad, but their fans made them look terrible on their own. I would say the trash throwing isn't worth mentioning in the "Latest Meeting" spot as it didn't affect the outcome of the game. I would instead focus just on the stats put up by the players. As for looking into it for overall hostilities, perhaps that could be its own section, but that could turn into a lot of back and forth about which fans have done what at what time.
But I don't know. Perhaps it's worth mentioning in the Latest Meeting to highlight the intensity of the rivalry, especially since it poured over into the game itself. Maybe explore it again and cite it.--LesPhilky (talk) 01:22, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your critical thought LesPhilky. I do believe it highlights the intensity. There was once a time when Duke's fans were chanting "how's your grandma" at a NC State player whose grandmother had recently passed. Neither of these are good behavior but they do highlight a desire to defend ones school and degrade the opposing. Carolina kid (talk) 01:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

To be honest with you, man, I really didn't care about adding the fan behavior stuff to the article. We curbstomped em, and the behavior was already broadcast on the national news. But since someone wants to make a big stink about how you're going about just trying to even discuss it, let me help you with doing it by the book. SC's athletic director, Ray Tanner, publicly addressed the situation and denounced the fans who did it. There are loads of articles that cite it. That's probably the route you want to go with citation and articles since you have the school's top athletic official publicly addressing it as a problem and something that needs to be fixed. Happy editing.--LesPhilky (talk) 03:29, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks man. I will look into it. You have been very helpful. Naturally I'll bring anything I feel is relevant and worthwhile here before editing . Carolina kid (talk) 04:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Surely you’re aware that there’s not a single fan base of any school in the country that hasn’t had incidents of bad behavior at one or more athletic events, especially ones that involve their rival? Anyone who would try to claim otherwise is a liar or a fool. I had friends in the Carolina Band tell me of having batteries and cups of urine thrown at them from the stands by the fine folks up at Clemson. During the half-decade that Steve Spurrier was Dabo’s Daddy, I was flipped off by more “classy” Tiger fans than I can count, both at games and while simply driving around town. I know parents of small children who refuse to take them to a Carolina-Clemson game at either school because they don’t want their kids to hear the foul language or observe the drunken boorishness from fanatics on both sides. Just last year, Gamecock players reported some of Clemson’s choir boy student-athletes directing racial slurs at them on the field both before and during the game, but of course there were nothing but denials from the Tigers. There were loads of articles written about this incident as well, but I don’t recall anyone rushing to add that stuff here. All of this is a sad state of affairs, but it’s nothing new and despite what some people choose to believe, it happens at every sports venue in America. But you keep fighting the good fight of bringing this groundbreaking news to the world, CK, I’m sure Wikipedia will be much improved for your efforts at opening ignorant eyes. GarnetAndBlack (talk) 05:01, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Racial slur claim was made up by a butthurt player following a butt stomping. He couldn't give a name or jersey number, but somehow knew it was an offensive lineman. And it makes a lot of sense that a Clemson player surrounded by his black teammates would use the N-word at someone else. I'm sure that would go over just fine. It's well accepted he made it up. Players kind of have things on their jerseys that make them easy to identify.
While we're on the topic of fan behavior, do you want to see all the videos emerging from SC tailgates this year? Brawls, sex acts in public, some recent idiot trying to have a wrestling match with a table ala Buffalo Bills fans. It's not really relevant to this page, but y'all have problems. But that's fine, because only makes Clemson look better. Recruits see it, too. Seriously, they're fun videos. Let me know if you want some links.
Either way, this particular case was actually relevant to the game and the rivalry seeing as it made national news and Tanner has been forced to address it. I'm sure Carolina kid can handle it, but it doesn't really matter either way. The game's outcome is sweet enough. Never again!--LesPhilky (talk) 05:53, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
LMAO. Thanks once again for proving my long-standing point, Les. Despite 4 wins in a row and a recent national championship, Clemson and their cult of delusional fans possess the biggest inferiority complex in college athletics. Congrats! No one can ever take that crown from you dirt farmers. GarnetAndBlack (talk) 06:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
I'll tell ya what. Let's be honest. We can get into the back and forth on the actual article of whose fans did what at what time, but we both know that's probably going to get into a mess. How about I just mention it never again. Never again sound good? And we'll just all agree to put it to rest and never again bring it up. We can just focus on game results. How does "Never Again" sound? All you have to do is reply "never again" to this and I'll hear you loud and clear. Just say the words and I won't bring up the fan behavior. Never again.--LesPhilky (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
wow. You guys are intense. What does it even mean to be "Dabos daddy". Where is your source for that? Lol. Look I am talking about fan behavior that affects progress on the field. Like Dabo being called for being mad about the trash USC threw. Look I'm from Carolina, so I don't really like any of your school. Actually les, I'm still a little salty about that offsides call on last drive of that Carolina Clemson ACC championship game 2 years back, Haha. I just thought it was intriguing. Garner and black I would discourage you from using ad homynyms. Attacking people instead of the subject is poor debate tactics. Furthermore none of this banter has to do with editing the article, like you just tried to get me banned for doing? Instead let's focus on looking at credible fan influences on the actual game. Carolina kid (talk) 20:40, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
and who argues on Wikipedia? When we have a disagreement, we normally bench, squat, deadlift, or fight. But hey we're a bunch of degenerates. My point is we don't log into a computer and angry type and bash universities atheletic teams on public encyclopedias. That's weak. I certainly recommend just doing research on topics that don't pertain to you if you can't keep personal feeings and bias out of it. Okay Carolina kid is off of his soap box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolina kid (talkcontribs) 23:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC) Garnet and Black, you are such an enthusiastic and dedicated editor. Unfortunately, you are letting your strong personal views and opinions on gamecock athletics and hatred for clemson athletics inhibit your ability to truly make positive progress on this encyclopedia. You can add a thousand meaningful sections, but if you let personal opinion dictate how you edit just one, you'll always be known as a biased editor. Honestly, I recommend that you take a break from this article and contribute in other areas. Hey, try Carolina-Duke! It could be fun, and frankly that article has some poor language for a prestigious university. And les, while I do think you are a level headed individual, there are still a few things that discredit your arguments. In the future try and avoid language like "butt hurt". You'll have much more credibility if you rise above the fray. Hope none of you take this personally. Just my thoughts.
"Butthurt" is an incredible word and you'll have to pry it from my cold, dead fingers! Take care.--LesPhilky (talk) 02:08, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
hahah, touché les. Didn't mean to offend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolina kid (talkcontribs) 03:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)