Talk:Carolina Dog

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Weight[edit]

" Weight: 30-65 pounds (15–20 kg.)" those are not interconvertible. Which is it, 65 pounds or 20kg? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.28.231 (talk) 19:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Rewrite[edit]

I am planning to rewrite this article. It has alot of good information, and i will be sure to include it. I will cite my sources more thoroughly. I also will avoid weasel words, which seems to be a part of this article.

Done!-- ¢² Connor K.   19:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Feral dogs, Carolina Dogs, Dingos, etc.[edit]

Not long ago I saw something on TV that said that wherever domesticated dogs go feral, after many generations, they take on a dingo-like appearance. This could say a lot about the origin of the Carolina Dog and the domesticated dog. It poses a "which came first?" question. Does anyone know where there is some research on this? Rsduhamel 15:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Good question. Actually, that is the big question: whether such dogs look alike because they are related, or because any dog left in that situation ends up evolving into a dingo-like shape. I seem to recall some research into whether similarities between Indian Pariah Dogs and Dingoes were due to close relationships, and it turned out that no, they're not closely related, so the similarities must be due to some other reason. They do look alot alike, though. Chrisrus (talk) 16:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
The study saying that Carolina Dogs were related to Dingoes was done using mitochondrial DNA, which does not have any bearing on the appearance of the animal. The conclusion was that the Carolina Dog had an Asian origin. What appaently has not been said in so many words is that Native Americans brought these dogs with them when they crossed the Bering land bridge from Asia some 10,000 or more years ago. 72.182.33.219 (talk) 03:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC) Eric

Any better photos?[edit]

Is there anyone out there with a better photo that highlights the breeds spe cific features more clearly? Ideally a good photo of the face (front view showing ears, muzzle and facial markings) and a view from the side showing the typical stance would be nice.LiPollis 15:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


I have a Carolina Dog, of which I could take photos to post. However, my particular dog does not have the "textbook" physical appearance of a feral dog--she has more of a curled, erect tail, and downturned ears. Instead of users posting new photos, why not just link to one of the many Carolina Dog websites already within the WWW? --Apishion 12:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I too have a Carolina Dog. He is from a shelter in Macon, Georgia. He will be 7 months this month. He has the text book coloring of the coat and facial and body features. He does not have what they consider "show dog" eye, eye liner, lip & nose color though. I have been told he has the "wild" CD coloring of Golden eyes, light (I guess that's liver colored)eye liner, nose and lips. If you want pictures, I'd be happy to send some. Feral dogs do not start looking like Dingos. Carolina Dogs are thought to be 7,000-10,000 years ago. Long before the European dog came to this continent. Their remains have been found in burial grounds of the western/plains American Indians. They are considered to be one of the 1st dogs. Carolina Dogs have no domesticated dog DNA in their blood. I know mine has none in the existing DNA test.

To the user above, who did no sign his/her post with four tildas, it would be so cool if you could get a local newspaper to take a photo of your Carolina dog and write up a brief article about Resident X of town y who has a confirmed Carolina Dog and who has done DNA testing whichprooves no reltion to any known haplo group of domesticated dogs. if they list the lab and the results, we could then quote the article as a Reliable Source, something necessary for Wikipedia inclusion. You could then authorize the use of a photo of your dog by uploading one to the Wikipedia Commons and list as: Confirmed Carolina Dog, named X, owned by Y of Town Z, DNA tested by Lab W. it would be very helpeful. Just a thought. LiPollis (talk) 07:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Dingo relation because of behavior?[edit]

I have excised a phrase that suggests that "behavior" suggests that the Carolina dog is particularly related to the dingo. Behavior does not itself suggest similar origin, or, in the case of dog breeds, similar origin any more than a similar upright gait suggests that humans are close relatives of penguins. Dingo-like behavior is to be expected of feral dogs. Convergence is commonplace in physical as well as behavioral evolution. If anything, behavior often adjusts before physical evolution has a chance. --Paul from Michigan (talk) 15:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Here again is the same very good point being made. How long must we wait for their DNA to be tested and the answer given? What, is no one interested? Or they worry what they might find? Or this has been done and we at Wikipedia aren't aware of it? Chrisrus (talk) 16:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Feral[edit]

"An intriguing trait of Carolina Dogs is their feral tendency, never before observed in domesticated dogs."

This makes no sense, at least not in English. ANY dog (or any other domesticated animal) can become feral at any time. The tendency to go feral is not unique. Removed pending further clarification.

Also, the term "wild dog" and "feral dog" do not necessarily mean the same thing. --Hafwyn (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Which subspecies is this?[edit]

Is it a Canis lupus familiaris or a Canis lupus dingo?

There is no evidence that this is familiaris. The whole point of the discovery and identification of this dog, explained in the article, is that it is not just Canis lupus familiaris but Canis lupus dingo. I'd change it, but it comes with the dog box. In the pictures, the main picture looks like pure C.l.dingo, but the other shows signs (lop ears) that it's less than pure. Chrisrus (talk) 13:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Chrisrus, Just so you know, the originator of Carolina Dogs, Dr. I. Lehr Brisbin and his graduate assistant are putting together a website http://cdrcp.org/ (is no longer accessible) regarding research and conservation of CDs. In the website Rachel and Bris are making some statements I think anyone interested in CDs should read. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 00:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up on this! I enjoyed it very much. Can we get these people involved in improving this article? They seem to be expert. The problem with this kind of expert, is their passion and love for the dogs can in some cases make for a bias, but these people seem to be very serious about thier research, and they've got great pictures! Chrisrus (talk) 05:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Chrisrus, They are experts. Dr. Brisbin was the one who discovered CDs to start with and his graduate assistant is quite involved with and knowledgeable about CDs. I doubt they would want an active part in writing as I think their plates are already pretty full, but you should ask their permission to use photos etc. Dr. Brisbin used to be heavily involved with NGSD and is responsible for their coming to and all in the United States. He was janice matznick's mentor and he colaberated with her until she was established on her own. He is passionate about Carolina Dogs. osm20Oldsingerman20 (talk) 19:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Typo?[edit]

"After they gave birth or while pregnant, the dog would carefully push sand with her snout to cover her excrement." excrement, or pups? Otherwise that would mean she goes to find her poop and covers it after birthing, CUZ? Sounds like a mix up. The-sea-doggie (talk)

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