Talk:Carols by Candlelight

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3KZ or 3LO?[edit]

'The tradition spread through Victoria and Melbourne until it was popularised in 1938 by Norman Banks, a radio announcer then with Melbourne radio station 3KZ. Whilst walking home from his night-time radio shift on Christmas Eve in 1937' The Australian Broadcasting Corporation claim that it was 3LO's Dot Dawson (wife of Smoky Dawson) who proposed Carols by Candlelight in Melbourne while she was working at the ABC. Norman Banks had moved to 3LO by this time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bebofpenge (talkcontribs) 06:29, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


Where else is it held around the world? --Astrokey44 12:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I have reinstated that it has spread around the world. Prester John claimed in his edit comment that the linked article didn't say so, but it does, just not in those words. But what does "around the world" mean? It surely doesn't mean "to every country". So how many countries and where is needed for that statement to be correct? The linked article mentions "throughout Africa and New Zealand and in several of the South Pacific Islands", and "in the courtyard outside the Church Of The Holy Nativity in Bethlehem". To me, that is enough to qualify for the statement, although if someone wants to modify the wording rather than delete it, I'm certainly open to other possibilities. Philip J. Rayment 00:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Well put. I think it justifies at least a mention. Nick carson (talk) 13:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Article title ambiguous[edit]

THis article starts off talking about a tradition of singing carols etc, usually in a park, and then the remainder of the article is talking about Melbourne Carols. Thus I suggest either: Edit this page to make it about EITHER Melborne Carols OR Carols by Candlelight in general, OR: Re-name this article Melbourne Carols By Candlelight. Sem boy (talk) 22:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Carols by Candlelight is Melbourne's Carols by Candlelight. It has since spread around Australia and to certain corners of the world. I have modified the lead somewhat to reflect the encompassing nature of the article better. Nick carson (talk) 12:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Earlier start[edit]

That the carols started in the 1800s in Moonta is questionable. I note that it was primarily added by an anonymous IP who made only that one edit. The only reference I could find with a bit of quick Googling is here, which says:

Some claim the practice originated here in the mid 19th Century among the Cornish and staunchly Methodist copper miners of Moonta in South Australia.

Tallow candles or ”fat jacks” were stuck to the front of their hats with a daub of wet clay. The shift captains turned a blind eye as the men took time out of their Christmas eve shifts to gather on the mine platforms and sing by the light of the fat jacks and again the next day with the women in church.

Modern carols by candlelight began in 1938 as radio broadcasts, and by 1970 they were on television.

This does give some support to the claim, but doesn't say that the Moonta practice "spread through Victoria and Melbourne", nor that Norman Banks merely popularised it. Rather, it seems that the Cornish miners in Moonta did something that was vaguely similar to the modern Carols by Candlelight, but their practice has no real connection to want Banks started.

Philip J. Rayment (talk) 13:13, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

"Criticism" Information"[edit]

The information in this section is terribly bias and frankly unsubstantiated. "...families wishing to attend must pay up to $400" Family tickets similar to Carols in the Domain cost $100, not $400. "[Carols in the Domain] is seen as more greatly reflecting the spirit of Christmas" All the proceeds made at Carols by Candlelight go to Vision Australia, how is that not reflecting the spirit of christmas? "Carols by Candlelight's cast consistently pales in comparison to that of Carols in the Domain... and organisers fail to attract significant international headliners" Pales? Thats pathetic. "Given that families are required to pay in order to attend, this has damaged the reputation of the event" Well clearly it hasn't seeing as though tickets always sell out, and it is the most watched Carols event in Australia. Anyone else think that this information should be removed? -WikiXiki —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiXiki (talkcontribs) 09:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

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Size of events?[edit]

The lead paragraph talks about the "largest event" in Australia, but has no actual numbers or definition. Later, for Geelong, there's an assertion about the "third largest". What figures are used for this? In terms of live audience, Melbourne gets about 10,000 according to newspaper reports - and I think the Myer Music Bowl has limits. Does it include TV figures? In that case it's not a useful comparison with live-only events, which seem to be able to attract more than 10,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Music3149 (talkcontribs) 06:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC)