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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Caspian Sea:

  • Cite sources (see Wikipedia:Footnotes)
  • Expand Islands section, so it is more than a simple list. (Done)
  • Make all sections mostly prosaic. The cities section in particular.
  • Link to Tehran Convention website in external links
  • Map of international borders in the north section (showing the borders as per the agreements of Russia-Kazakhstan, Russia-Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan-Kazakhstan)
  • List alt. language names for all state languages with caspian territory (or don't list farsi in header)

Add more to this list as you see fit.

Should the history section be separated?[edit]

I am considering to partition the history section into two; one on geographical history (on the scale of millions of years) and human history (on the scale of thousands). I think it seems appropriate, but does anyone have objections? -Rosywounds (talk) 03:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure, go for it. This article probably needs somewhat better organization in general. Vmenkov (talk) 10:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Splitting Human History into a separate section has certainly been an improvement. Perhaps the next task should be rearranging all section into a more logical order. Right now we have this:

  1. Geological history
  2. Geography
  3. Cities near the Caspian Sea
  4. Islands
  5. Human history
  – A couple of things concerning human history in the Caspian Region
      – Alexander the Great proposed building a fleet in this area.[1]
      – He subdued the Mardians, a fierce although poor people who lived in this region at the time. [2]
          – He entered the region from Hectamapolys, which is to the South west, and then went west along the coast to subdue these peoples. 
          – He ordered his Leutenant Parmenion to come up from Ectabana and block off all the exits from the south, while he attacked these people with various attachments and dispersed these people from the west/coast.
          – It was as a result of this conquest that this region was added to what was traditionally the Persian Satrapy of Tarpursia Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).

      – A more exact map of the route of the exact path Alexander took along the southern Caspian. [3]

SteveMooreSmith3 (talk) 07:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

  1. Fauna
  2. Hydrocarbon resources
  3. Existing and proposed canals
  4. International disputes
  5. Characteristics and ecology
  6. Transportation
  7. Freezing

It seems like it would be more logical to have "natural history"/physical geography sections next to each other - e.g. something like this:

  1. Geography
  2. Islands
  3. Geological history
  4. Characteristics and ecology
  5. Freezing
  6. Fauna

The history/politics is another logical group

  1. Human history
  2. International disputes

And then the economic geography, if you wish:

  1. Cities near the Caspian Sea
  2. Hydrocarbon resources
  3. Transportation
  4. Existing and proposed canals

Obviously, there may be other plans - so I don't want to do rearrangement myself, but rather let someone with more interest in the article to do it. It would be good idea to compare it with the organization of high-profile articles on other seas and lakes, e.g. Mediterranean Sea or the Great Lakes. It would be interesting to find other sea/lake articles that have been labeled "featured" or "good", and see how they are organized; however, it looks like there no good or featured articles about seas or really big lakes; Great Salt Lake may be the biggest lake with a "good" article. Vmenkov (talk) 00:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Lakes does mention a few (although one is an artificial lake). I think Human history could be expanded a bit. Cities/Islands seem like they could be included as subsections of Geography instead. They should also be turned into prose; the lists are a bit excessive and include a lot of trivial cities that don't even have major ports. Freezing can be a side note in the lakes description, but doesn't really merit its own section (its only a couple sentences long). The article does still have a lot of work, I'll try to give it more attention considering that it is a vital article for an encyclopedia. -Rosywounds (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you need to separate out the history. There are the chapters in the box and most people click on the segment that they are interested in. As long as chapters are up there in the box, the articles can be long and elaborate; one might click on other topics that one hadn't been so interested in before.

NEW DEVELOPMENT? I came here today because only days ago the Iranian Ambassador in Russia confirmed that a canal project from the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf is being studied. As fanciful as this sounds we all know that with enough money and will you can do anything. This topic ought to be monitored because I have the feeling this will develop beyond a pipe dream. (talk) 04:24, 14 April 2016 (UTC)


What's the point in using this obscure term that few general readers will understand? Sca (talk) 21:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It means lake, or more specifically, of and having to do with lakes. I know what it means.SteveMooreSmith3 (talk) 07:42, 10 June 2011 (UTC) Then why not use the word "lake" here? If it means something more, than it needs to be explained either here or at the article it is linked to, where it does not appear. IN the meantime I've changed the link to the wiktionary entry that explains the word. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 20:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Sea of Shinar[edit]

Is the Caspian Sea considered the "Sea of Shinar?" Babylon had an area referred to as Shinar, and a sea was not far from it, not sure if this was the same place or not.

Twillisjr (talk) 02:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I shouldn't think so. It's not particularly close to Mesopotamia. Bazonka (talk) 09:40, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Possibly the Black sea, it flooded just before biblical times, before that it was a giant fresh water lake, the fresh water is still there, in a layer deep at the bottom of the black sea separated by a deadly layer of chemical reactions between the fresh and salt water. They could either be referring to the Plains of shinar as the Pontic steppe. (there are no plains in Mesopotamia)If you look at the migration of Ashkenazi jews it's been mapped by ISOGG and family tree dna, they spread from Ukraine between 4000-3200 bc and carried haplogroup R1a(the Aryan/indoeuropean) male linage in the first Aryan migration. They were likely many clans and tribes moving together and settling along the way, the western group became the Germanic people, the eastern group became the Indus valley and Vedic Indians, Ashkenazi jews, several arab tribes, the sumerians, etc. If you look up the Tartaria tablets or the Vinca script of the Danube river valley you'll notice that it's identical to proto-Sumerian which appears 1000 years afterwards. The Hebrew calendar also begins at the exact time period of the Aryan invasion just a few centuries after the black sea flooded(which was a sudden event in what was a highly populated area, btw "turkey" was more connected to Europe at that time physically as well as culturally and genetically. The turks didn't arrive until the 7th century AD. Names such as Ari are also dead giveaways for the Aryan or Arian roots of Judaism. All Ashkenazi jews carry Aryan haplogroup R1a but their line now has a subclade called CTS-6(it branches like a tree) If you compare proto Germanic or Nordic script with Hebrew you'll notice some similarities as well, one character or "rune" looks exactly like a menorah cut in half down the middle. The menorah represents the tree of life, the holy tree there is also a tree of life/holy tree in Germanic folk religious traditions("myths") called Yggdrasil. There are more similarities but I'm not going to spend hours talking about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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The lowest natural depression on earth?[edit]

The second paragraph of the article says, "The sea bed in the southern part [of the Caspian Sea] reaches as low as 1023 m below sea level, which is the second lowest natural depression on earth after Lake Baikal (−1180 m)."

Isn't the "lowest natural depresion on earth" the Mariana Trench? The Mariana Trench "reaches a maximum-known depth of 10,994 metres [below sea level? This sould be stated.]".

Madang1965 (talk) 14:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm sure it means the lowest non-Oceanic depression, as not just the Mariana Trench, but most of the Ocean floor is deeper than that. Not sure on the best way to word that. Kmusser (talk) 19:09, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I think you have it there, just say non-Oceanic depression instead of depression.Rjbcollege (talk) 17:00, 13 October 2018 (UTC)