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Sourcing[edit]

Per my recent edits:

More sourcing for the legends of Lucius, Joseph of Arimathea, and Saint Fagan on their pages. More sourcing for early Celtic Christianity at list of Welsh saints, although it's largely sourced to Baring-Gould and could use more recent treatment if we've got it. They can be brought over if it's needful. — LlywelynII 06:34, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Gildas[edit]

Per Johnbod's recent edits:

I.
Possible≠probable, but remains a true statement. We don't want to give WP:UNDUE weight to WP:FRINGE theories, I know. At the same time, for historic reasons, it's important to mention Bede & co's legends about Lucius and later legends about Joey A: people really did believe those legends for many centuries. For WP:LIE reasons, we have to make clear that those stories in their full development are undoubtably untrue (no 28 bishops, 3 archbishops, or united kingdom of Lucius) and may have been (Lucius) or probably were (Joey) entirely invented. Gildas is something different from that. He's very important as an early local source with access to (unlike Geoffrey, real) records that no longer exist. He says someone showed up by the end of the reign of Tiberius: we should mention it. There's no impossibility involved and we shouldn't remove it or pretend there is: there are specific NT statements of Christ sending out apostles during his lifetime (i.e., c. 30 – c. 33), there's a specific text (provided) saying by name that one of them was sent to Britain, and it doesn't take 4 years to walk there.

Now, that said, obviously the mission wasn't terribly successful. I thought that would be obvious from context: the first bishops aren't known for another 3 centuries. We can also add sourcing calling it highly unlikely or a confusion (Claudius's first name was 'Tiberius') and that's probably right. — LlywelynII 06:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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Also, cf. WP:SOCALLED. Short version is don't use it. Not only is the Great Conspiracy known by that name, it is the primary topic for that name, which provides it without sneer quotes. If there are legitimate problems with the name raised by the scholarship, kindly provide it to both pages and possibly start a move request. Otherwise, realize it's just what that event is known as, similar to the Norman conquest of England (not the "Norman immigration to England around 1066") or the Crusades (not the "European invasions of Palestine during the Pre-modern period"). — LlywelynII 06:41, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I can't be bothered, even to tag it - keep the article full of unreferenced/primary source Romantic fantasy if you like. Johnbod (talk) 09:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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SS Saints[edit]

I noticed a half dozen or so instances where, when discussing a Saint, or possibly two Saints at once, the Saints were noted as "SS X and Y", rather than "Saints X and Y" or, more properly, "Saint X and Saint Y". Obviously I eventually figured it out, and determined it was a form of shorthand considered appropriate in a particular field of research, but I do not think such shorthand is appropriate for a wiki article.

I consider myself to be rather broadly read (although not of wikis), yet have never encountered this before.

Thank you for your consideration. 173.77.169.30 (talk) 10:22, 22 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.169.30 (talk) 10:18, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. It is confusing. I've removed as many as I found, but please feel free to fix any others you may see.--Cúchullain t/c 14:58, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
It is the normal abbreviation for, in particular, churches and feastdays with double dedications, and for churches in particular is not easily replaced (paying any respect to WP:COMMONNAME anyway). Johnbod (talk) 15:06, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
It's not very recognizable to readers who don't already know all that stuff intimately. It's easily enough replaced by changing "SS" to "Saints" or just saying "Saint X and Saint Y".--Cúchullain t/c 15:09, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Cuchullain that in general it is better to spell out saints. Some wiki articles on churches use SS (often with a redirect from Saints), others "saints" as the Italian Church of Saints Paul and Bartholomew. In this case is would be odd to translate "Santi" in "Chiesa dei Santi Paolo e Bartolomeo" as SS. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:44, 22 March 2016 (UTC)