Talk:Cenk Uygur

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Can someone cite a source that says Cenk didn't rescind his earlier genocide claim until 2016?[edit]

Because that's what our article currently says. Hijiri 88 (やや) 22:18, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

In his own words: Today [April 22, 2016], I rescind the statements I made in my Daily Pennsylvanian article from 1991. In our words: In a blog post in April 2016, he rescinded the statements made in the earlier letters.LM2000 (talk) 22:44, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

He did not acknowledge the Armenian Genocide in this article. He only states he doesn't have enough information on it. It is a common tactic when one is being attacked for Genocide denial. He says words that make him sound compassionate in hopes of getting some empathy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanakalanian (talkcontribs) 00:42, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

I think this is adequately summarized in the paragraph. Do you have any suggestions for improvement?LM2000 (talk) 01:43, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
What paragraph?
Second paragraph under "Political views" section.LM2000 (talk) 13:10, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Well I think it is important it is mentioned he has not still recognized and the article appears to say nothing that suggests he has. In adding that particular paragraph the way it is written -definitely does not portray his continued denial. I suggest you add ( But it appears (in the article) he still does not officially acknowledge the Armenian Genocide.) Thank you BTW for asking for my help. AlanaKAlanian (for some reason my username did not appear) I could add it?

Please do not erase -paragraph is perfect now.

  • Alanakalania, we have had a discussion on the content posted. A judgmental statement like the one you just posted was not part of the consensus. It is putting a conclusion in wikipedia's voice. It is unsourced and this is a WP:BLP. You have a WP:POV blind spot about this subject. Gain a consensus before you post your opinions about this subject matter anywhere on wikipedia. Trackinfo (talk) 20:29, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

It is not correct then. You deleted a very important part of the paragraph, the part I attached. As a portion of the article is copied it is vague and deceiving -leading readers to believe either to read between the lines or assume something that is not true. It is informative not personal to say he does deny than say he does not know enough about it otherwise you suggest he doesn't when he truly does still in fact deny. Alanakalanian 20:44, 29 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanakalanian (talkcontribs)

It must convey that in the recent article he makes no attempt to acknowledge what happen to the Armenians was actually a Genocide. Saying he does not have enough info on a historical fact when there is a ton of factual evidence out there for him to have explored by now is no different than saying one hasn't enough info on the Holocaust to actually call it that. The article brought him no closer to recognition, and so I don't even understand why this blog source was even posted? Anyhow, if words from that article are going to stay on his page -the fact the article says nothing about his recognition should also be provided. His still being a Genocide denier is very much is pertinent here. "He went on to mention that he doesn't know enough today to comment on the genocide", should go on to say that "and therefore still denies it was a Genocide. Alanakalanian 21:15, 29 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanakalanian (talkcontribs)

I have to agree that he should still be categorised as an Armenian genocide denier until such time as he goes completely back on his previous claims and acknowledges it. Which he hasn't done yet. All of the other names on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Armenian_Genocide_deniers are there for the same reason, whether or not they played down their previous claims, they haven't acknowledged the event happened after their previous denial of it. Of course a left wing political columnist is going to get special treatment on Wikipedia, which shouldn't be the case - only truth should matter - and this man has denied a historical atrocity and should still be considered, objectively, a denier until such time as he comes out and admits it happened. A bit disappointed by this. I won't make the edit again since apparently it's not politically wikipedian. 209.93.39.98 (talk) 23:06, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Apparently, being Armenian makes an obvious issue null and void due to a supposed bias of the person pointing it out. Certainly, not the best way of doing business. But the fact remains, the guy is still in denial. His nationality is American and not Turkish this makes him more subject to criticism than an actual Turkish person living in Turkey. There is a law in Turkey, Article 301, that forbids Turks from publicly acknowledging, but yet so many do, and sadly are penalized in some way for it. But this guy with a wide range of freedom has nothing stopping him, and yet he denies. It is obvious his reasons for doing so must be personal and not based on a lack of knowledge. His denial must be noted. Alanakalanian 01:31, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

This really sums up what the hell is wrong with Wikipedia today. 37.18.142.142 (talk) 01:38, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Cenk Uyhur never stopped his denail of the armenian genocide - he just switch for hard denialism (nothing happend) to soft denialism (some bad things happend, but there was no genocide) - many (if not most) holocaust deniers are soft denialist, and that does not stop them from being holocaust deniers (cause they still do) - and exactly the same is true for the statements made by Cenk Uygur as well 15:49, 21 May 2017 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.3.218.55 (talk)

His denial of the genocide is relevant in large part because of the Young Turks association with the genocide, which is the name of his political commentary program. Is there any reason why there is no mention of the Young Turks when noting his denial of the genocide? Seems to be an important ommission. 16:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCbRk6xakV4 here he is on video https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2016/04/26/after-years-of-denying-the-armenian-genocide-cenk-uyguar-now-admits-he-doesnt-know-enough-about-it-to-say-anything/ Good to see the liberal retards of wikipedia covering up historical facts!2600:1700:C470:E310:4CAE:AA6B:F5E5:A2B3 (talk) 12:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

The Armenian Genocide[edit]

Judging by some comments that Cenk made on the 6th of September 2017, in the video Myanmar's Muslim Genocide on The Young Turks Youtube Channel, he appears to now acknowledge the Armenian Genocide (Timestamp from 2:29-3:21). (Not 100% sure, but it seems like he does now). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:2E5:BE00:1A2:2A73:FF71:92DC (talk) 08:44, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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Incident with Alex Jones[edit]

Hi, I feel this incident is verifiable and notable as it is covered by multiple reliable sources, with plenty of video evidence, so I have added a new sub-section. Was interested to know what editors think of the addition. Thanks. KU2018 (talk) 14:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

See also Talk:The Young Turks#What about the Alex Jones confrontation? and Talk:Jimmy Dore#Incident at the RNC Trackinfo (talk) 14:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Template "Denial of Mass Killings"[edit]

This template {{Denial of Mass Killings}} is for navigation between articles which topic is systematic denial of genocides etc. This aricle does not significant coverage dedicated to denial. What is more, Ujgur, changed his view already. therefore IMO template should not be placed on this article. It is placed on articles only for people notorious of this systematic denial. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

He named his news network after the group that commited the Armenian genocide. And he left the Justice Democrats for things he has said in the past. Living up to those principles the template should stay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:681A:B0D7:42F0:603E (talk) 22:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

You have to provide reliable sources which discuss him in detail as a notable genocide denier and have more than a couple of sentences in the article about that. A notable denier actively works on support and propagation of the denialist theory. Merely expressing a view is not enough. By your logic, you have to put this template into articles about almost each and every Turkish official. We do not use navigational templates in this way in wikipedia. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok hypothetically lets say he named his newsnetwork after the SS and claimed the holocaust never happened, then when politically conveninent for him said that it did happen and denied ever denying it. Would you still be defending him as if he was infallable? and the things he said that made him leave the Justice Democrats were not as aggregious and he has ACTUALLY retracted what he said then but, he still left the movement meaning his principles are that if he said things like that at all it should be a mark on his record forever. In that vain the template needs to stay exactly where it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:681A:B0D7:42F0:603E (talk) 23:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Once again, Wikipedia does not use navigation templates in this way. Your opinion abut Uygur does not matter. Please see Wikipedia:Navigation template. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

And yours does? point is he denied the armenian genocide until it was politcally convenient for him not to do so and thats the only reason he backpedaled on that stance. He named his news network after the ones who carried out said genocide. If he was a republican, I am sure youd have no problem with keeping the template there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:681A:B0D7:42F0:603E (talk) 02:02, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Try and get a sense of proportion. It was just a background belief Cenk Uygur inevitably picked up as a child, an alignment with what was national policy in the country where he was born and spent his early years. In his maturity he has reevaluated and no longer holds that position. --Epipelagic (talk) 12:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

And if it were Holocaust denial and he were white then thered be no problem keeping the template up. Have some consistant standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:1EC:A21A:BE6C:CD4B (talk) 17:23, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

No we do not place this template on all denialist anti-Semites and Stormfront nazis. We have List of notable Holocaust deniers, and persons in this list have separate sections with encyclopedic nontrivial info about their activities in Holocaust denial. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

And a man with his own news network, which may i remind you, is named after the group who carried out the armenian genocide, isnt notable how exactly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:1EC:A21A:BE6C:CD4B (talk) 17:54, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

He is notable, but for other reasons; he is not described in reliable sources as a notable Holocaust denier. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Because youre shifting the goalpoast, he is not a holocaust denier he denied the Armenian Genocide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:1EC:A21A:BE6C:CD4B (talk) 20:56, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

No Im not shifting goalposts; I simply made an error. I meant to write "he is not described in reliable sources as a notable Armenian Genocide denier". Staszek Lem (talk) 23:12, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

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