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sir mix a-lot[edit]

Sir Mix A Lot also hails from the Central District and has a number of songs that acknowledge street names and important areas of the CD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.126.229 (talkcontribs) 02:27, November 20, 2006

unref[edit]

This article is unreferenced. I'm having trouble finding references for the racial statistics of the area. I doubt they are true, I work in that area daily and see predominantly african americans.````megan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.214.52 (talk) 03:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It appears that the CD includes about 4 U.S. Census tracts. The cite to the CD havig a "majority African-American population" cites to only one tract, No. 80. Current stats put caucasion and african population for that tract at about equal, with African Americans having a slight plurality. The remaining 3 tracts have majority caucasion properties. It appears that the CD is trending towards the overall Seattle population demographics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoulterTM (talkcontribs) 21:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

boundaries[edit]

The Central Area is east of Downtown Seattle, South of the Capitol Hill neighborhood (although portions physically occupy the southern portion of the hill), north of the Rainier Valley neighborhood and west of Lake Washington.

Please consider that the approach established by working group as stated is to use the work of the Seattle City Clerk's Office: http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/public/nmaps/html/NN-1280S.htm

The map shows the historic Central Area.

Madrona, Mount Baker, Leschi, Madison Valley, Squire Park, Madison-Miller are all included in the Central Area. Redlining occured in areas bounded by Lake Washington to the east.

Madrona hosted Black Arts West and was the home of the leaders of the Black Panther Party. Madison Valley was homesteaded by an African American.

See the Department of Neighborhoods planning information:

http://www.seattle.gov/neighborhoods/npi/plans/central/

And Map: http://www.seattle.gov/neighborhoods/npi/maps/Central%20Area.pdf

Note that the eastern portions of Madrona, Leschi and Mount Baker excluded themselves from the planning area, although it's still questionable whether these areas are excluded from the Central Area.

Census Tracts inclusive of the above map could be used to calculate statistics, the trends cited in teh article should prove valid, but changes to the racial and socio-economic characteristics of the Central District will be shown to have occurred over a more protracted period if data from the complete Central Area is used. Ktkeller (talk) 08:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

But, as the City Clerk's website says, "The Seattle City Clerk's Office Neighborhood Map Atlas is designed for subject indexing of legislation, photographs, and other documents in the City Clerk's Office and Seattle Municipal Archives. It provides a way to increase consistency in the way geographic names are used and to allow precise retrieval of documents concerning neighborhood districts. It is not designed or intended as an "official" City of Seattle neighborhood map." I would submit that most people living east of Martin Luther King Way, even a higher percentage of those living east of 31st Avenue, and nearly 100% of people living east of 34th Avenue would deny living in the Central District. Nobody thinks the CD extends to the lake--we should not, therefore, state it does.

What is your evidence that the CD stretches to the lake and follows the City Clerk's map? --Lukobe (talk) 09:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

What working group? --Lukobe (talk) 09:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, the project has the page which organizes districts and neighborhoods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhoods_in_Seattle

The neighborhood list is incomplete.

As organized, the Central District (or Area) includes an incredibly mutable list of neighborhoods. I could get together with folks in a few blocks near me, we could create a neighborhood association and be recognized by the city. These neighborhood associations also cover overlapping territory. Up until a few years ago, Madrona Community Association went a few blocks west of MLK. Central NA has now taken the area to MLK. Still, people living up to 25th near Union still view themselves as part of Madrona.

While we could debate that the boundary is the top of the hill, versus the lake, the historical fact of the Central District (as opposed to the Madrona neighborhood) includes at least half if not all of Madrona, Leschi and Mount Baker. I lived by 34th (top of the hill) in Madrona off and on between the mid-70s until 2005. I am acquainted with folks on the lake or one block from the lake who see themselves as living in both Madrona or Leschi and the CD. The CD is not about Black folks versus white folks. Neighborhood associations may fall out that way, but the CD always included wealthy enclaves, assertively integrated areas, and the heart of the African American community.

Ktkeller (talk) 11:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but that page you link to (which I worked a lot on) plainly states: "The names of districts and neighborhoods in this section are taken from the Seattle City Clerk's Office Neighborhood Map Atlas, which was "not designed or intended as an 'official' City of Seattle neighborhood map... [but] to define neighborhood district names and boundaries in a way that improves document indexing and retrieval." As such, many of them have no existence outside of the city's map and indexing system, such as Pike Market (Pike Place Market in actuality), Mann, Minor, and Mid Beacon Hill. In addition, reducing the number of top-level districts led to neighborhoods such as Harrison/Denny-Blaine being included in the Central District and Madison Park being included in Capitol Hill, which does not conform to facts on the ground."
It's not about black versus white, especially now that the CD is gentrifying. It's about facts on the ground; and while you may know some people on the lake who consider themselves to live in the CD, they are in the minority.
Might I suggest we take this to the main Seattle talk page? It's more highly trafficked than this one. In fact, I'll post there now. WikiProject Seattle talk page as well. --Lukobe (talk) 21:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, good discussion and great idea Ktkeller (talk) 21:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

We should sort this out better. I certainly consider Squire Park and Cherry Hill to be part of the CD, but the article as currently written excludes them.

The article, before I just edited it, already made mention of Temple De Hirsch Sinai and of Buddhist institutions around Wisteria Park. I've added mention of three more former synagogues, all closer to the center of what would generally be called the CD than those, but all west of 23rd Street. - Jmabel | Talk 07:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I think this project needs to recognize the Neighborhood Plan established boundaries as those were accepted by city ordinance as opposed to whatever 'people' 'think'.

The three citations in the lede are very weak[edit]

- Jmabel | Talk 17:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

recent resource article[edit]

central district news 7/22/2010, on segregation and neighborhood development, for more references. here 23:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

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