Talk:Charles Wesley

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I would question one statement in this article. You make it sound, when discussing John and Charles'differences, that John wanted to split from the Church of England. From my study John did NOT want to start a new denomination but revive the existing church.146.95.18.236 03:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

"Hymns" vs. "Lyrics"[edit]

The word "lyrics" fits with the word, "songs." This implies music someone writes, to which they set words.

The word "hymns" fits with the words, "hymn tunes." This better describes the nature of Charles Wesley's works. He wrote "words" = "texts" = "hymns." He did not write the music for all the hymns (=texts) he wrote. Your examination of ANY hymnbook page which shows a text (=hymn) of Charles Wesley, will show that the music (=hymn tune) has its own credits (someone who is NOT Charles Wesley). Charles wrote words, not the music to set the words and make them available for singing.

Researches in the back of hymnbooks will discover meter indexes, from which you may find tunes to fit Wesley's hymns. You can then sing Wesley's hymns (=texts) to different tunes of the same meter. Charles wrote words, not the music which sets the words and makes them available for singing.

Probably the best way to describe Wesley's works on the Wiki page is to offer a brief explanation of what a "hymn" = "text" is, and then list the first lines as they are listed (without using the word "lyrics"). If "lyrics" need to be mentioned, include mention of the word in the brief explanation of what a "hymn" is, and contrast "lyrics" with "hymn." 24.7.251.127 (talk) 19:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)hymnlover 11-7-10

Father, I Stretch My Hands to Thee[edit]

I added this because it's an extremely important hymn to African Americans. University of Southern California Gospel Music Timeline

The Music of Black Americans: A History by Eileen Southern (p. 455), Lining out the Word: Dr. Watts Hymn Singing in the Music of Black Americans by William T. Dargan (p. 103), and Come Sunday: The Liturgy of Zion by William B. McClain (p. 127-128) all call it is one of the quintessential lined-out African American out hymns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atlantictire (talkcontribs) 00:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Number of Pall Bearers[edit]

In this article it states: On his death, his body was carried to the church by six clergymen of the Church of England, . In the article St Marylebone Parish Church it states: On his death, his body was carried to the church by eight clergymen of the Church of England. Which number is correct? p (talk) 21:22, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Charles Wesley's 250-year-old journals reveal fears that Church of England could split[edit]

This is quite interesting and may deserve some mention:[1] 109.148.63.64 (talk) 21:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Another plaque[edit]

Another one at geograph.org here: [2], of the round plaque in the old graveyard of St Mary le Bone, in memory of Charles Wesley, which does not yet seem to have been uploaded to Commons? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)