Talk:Charlie Crist

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Former good article nominee Charlie Crist was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Walt McNeil[edit]

Wikipedia is not a forum for sharing one's opinion of the article subject. alanyst 19:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How big a deal was Christ's appointment of Walter McNeil to a head the department of corrections as reported here? I came across some articles about how McNeil didn't actually go to classes or do actual coursework to get a degree. Seems pretty shady. Candleabracadabra (talk) 01:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Marco Rubio - Tea Party[edit]

This morning I reverted the removal of text by Doorzki who objects to Marco Rubio's characterization as a "Tea Party candidate". In reviewing the edit, I checked Rubio's wiki article, which states that he has been called the "crown prince" of the Tea Party movement, and appears to me to be reliably sourced to [1] and [2]. Therefore, it was my opinion that adding the "Tea Party" label was only a WP:BLP violation because the source was not given inline per WP:MINREF, so I restored the text and added the source. Collect reverted my edits with a note to BLP discussions about contentious claims of Tea Party affiliation. However, it appears to me to be a reliably-sourced claim of his prominence in the Tea Party movement, so I don't see any reason to object to its inclusion here. Thoughts?

Aside: as far as I can tell Collect's edit should have been automatically accepted under the PC1 criteria but it was not for some reason, so I have accepted it myself in good faith.

Um -- calling someone the "Tea Party candidate" where such a party does exist, and where no source states Rubio is a member thereof (in fact, he is not even a member of any "Tea Party caucus" as far as I can tell) is a contentious claim and would require more than an article saying Rubio is called the "crown prince" of anything. Cheers. Collect (talk) 22:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for posting this to Talk. I appreciate your consideration of my edit.
I believe at least one of your sources is an opinion article. Also, the "crown prince" article does not cite who called him that.
Let's say I were to hereby declare Barack Obama the crown prince of the "Teleprompter Party." I bet I could find many conservative opinion articles to support this criticism. Does that mean one should go change Barack Obama's Wikipedia article to state my projected political association? Of course not.
The way "Tea Party" is used in this article, in substitution of "Republican Party," is a pejorative attack used by left-leaning individuals to try to draw contrast between traditional Republicans and what some try to suggest to be a further-right group that somehow should not be considered Republicans. This is all politics and nothing more. Regardless, this article isn't about Marco Rubio, the political spectrum of American politics, or any of these other issues. It's about Charlie Crist. Saying that Crist lost to Marco Rubio in the Republican primary without assigning membership in a non-existent political party (as my edit attempts to do) is purely factual and appropriate. A political pejorative such as "Tea Party candidate" wreaks political bias. Doorzki (talk) 04:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Doorzki, you're right, your edit reflects NPOV and that's the smart move here, sources or not. I withdraw my criticism.
Collect, off-topic, but from what I can tell Rubio was once held in high regard by "Tea Party" contemporaries, particularly around the time of the primary with Crist, but later fell out of favour with the more right-wing conservatives (or however you view it). Anyway I don't have an argument here.
Thanks for discussing. See you around the wiki. Ivanvector (talk) 19:57, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
The "Tea Party candidate" requires something more than being backed by a tea party group - as I said above, we would not call, say, a presidential candidate a "Communist Party candidate" because they were endorsed by the CPUSA, would we? Collect (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Are Crist staffers monitoring this page?[edit]

Crist is a primary subject of noted director Kirby Dick's 2009 documentary Outrage. In general, when a person is the subject of a documentary or featured in a work of art generally, that work is referenced. I understand that the film makes allegations against Crist -- namely, that he may be gay. I added this to a "art and media" section once and it was promptly removed, within an hour or so -- my suspicion is that it was removed by a staffer, based on the peremptory message I received from the editor who removed it, whose insistent, inflexible tone and immediate action were highly unusual for a neutral, unbiased editor unconnected with the subject of the page in question. Crist's name has also been removed from the Outrage Wiki page which thoroughly list all the subjects included in the film -- yet Crist alone is suspiciously absent. Just wanted eligible editors -- without ties to the politician -- to keep an eye out for Crist staff intrusion into this page. Thanks Joeletaylor (talk) 19:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Sure, there are probably Crist staffers who edit this page, but that doesn't mean that removing the contentious content was wrong. We take a very cautious approach and almost always require self-identification for something as sensitive as sexual identity. You have given no specifics about the edit in question to this article, so it's difficult to say whether reverting it was appropriate.- MrX 19:22, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I have lived in South Carolina all my life and think that Florida and anti-gay-rights politicians deserve to be taunted, so I'm definitely not a Crist staffer. The edit you describe violates the general understanding of WP:BLP that claims about sexuality require the self-identification of the subject in question. Speculation isn't enough. Even if a subject was found having sex with others of the same gender during a LGBT pride parade, the possibility of bisexuality would require us to wait until they specified.
A number of speculated entries (including Crist) were removed from the article Outrage (2009 film) by George Ho (who identifies as gay), Collect (who has received awards for ensuring that WP:BLP is followed), and Jehochman (who is an administrator). Collect undid your first edit here, asking you to see one of the many discussions establishing that Outrage is not reliable enough to speculate on Crist's sexuality. Your second attempt was undone by Alanyst, who fully explains the reasoning here.
If you had evidence that there were Crist staffers here, that would be important information -- but your assumption that that could be the only reason is just a violation of WP:AGF. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
For the record, I have no connection at all with Crist nor his various campaigns over the years. I don't really have an opinion of the man either personally or politically. alanyst 22:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)