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2005-2006 Season[edit]

The 2005-2006 NBA Draft was quite a surprise for the Charlotte Bobcats. First was falling to the fifth pick in the lottery which prevented them from getting one of the top 3 talents in the draft like they were predicted to get. Then, however, it balanced out a little bit when the Cleveland Cavaliers failed to reach the playoffs, therefore giving their lottery pick to the Charlotte Bobcats.

There was a mix of confusion and excitement as the Bobcats chose UNC duo Raymond Felton at the 5th pick and Sean May at the 13th pick. Some thought it was a marketing ploy to sell more tickets but Bernie Bickerstaff knows that these two are the championship caliber players who led UNC to the NCAA championship. These are 2 more champions to add to the team which now boasts 5 players who won major college tournaments in their university basketball careers (4 of them were drafted). Felton and May won the NCAA championship with UNC whereas Okafor and free agent pickup, Jake Voskuhl, won the NCAA championship with UCONN (2004, 1999). Second-round pick (45th) Bernard Robinson also won the NIT title with the University of Michigan.

It really looks like Bernie Bickerstaff's 5 year "Plan" is starting to pay off. Two years and 5 champion players...not bad at all. With Sean May dominating the summer league, it looks like he might not have been as bad of a pick as many thought he would be. Sean May, Raymond Felton, and Emeka Okafor will be leading the Charlotte Bobcats into the 2005-2006 NBA season.

To make the future look even brighter for the Bobcats, Brevin Knight and Gerald Wallace both re-signed with the Bobcats. This brings back every player who was a major piece in the surprise inaugural season for the Bobcats. Look for a balanced sharing of minutes between Knight and Felton as Knight will most likely start first and gradually mentor Felton into becoming the leading point guard on the team.

Depth Chart: PG: Knight / Felton SG: Rush / Carroll / Bogans SF: Wallace / Robinson PF: Okafor / May C: Brezec / Ely / Voskuhl

Prediction: 25-57

Leave opinions out![edit]

What is this opinionated dribble doing on a fact-based database? I'm deleting it, and if it resurfaces, I'll inform because this text I will be quoting below is pure opine.

"...Johnson waltzed in and received probably an even better deal, as he actually receives the profits made off of the Charlotte Bobcats Arena. Since then, the Hornets have become the most despised team in Charlotte, for the same reasons that the Indianapolis Colts are reviled in Baltimore, Maryland, home to the Ravens.

Noigetit 18:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Animal Names?[edit]

"This rumor was suppored by the fact that no other U.S. city had two major sports franchises named after similar animals. "

Huh? Chicago Cubs and Bears. Detroit Tigers and Lions. Baltimore Orioles and Ravens. Denver Nuggets and Colorado Rockies (not animals, but you get the idea). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.51.76.122 (talk) 01:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that whole section was added yesterday and appears to be speculation and original research. Additionally, the whole thing lacked any sort of sourcing. I've undone the edit. Geologik (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Uniforms[edit]

I'm not a Bobcats fan, but somebody really ought to fix their uniform images in the main information box at the top right of the article. The Bobcats have not had an orange jersey in their uniform set since the '08-'09 season, and won't have one this season, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.8.191 (talk) 00:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

2012-13 Uniform Numbers/Roster[edit]

It's been confirmed on the official Bobcats website (section Roster) that Ramon Sessions will wear Number 7, and DeSagana Diop will wear Number 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.111.233 (talk) 20:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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The Bobcats are using their "secondary logo" as the new primary logo. Stop changing it on the main page. Go to CharlotteObserver.com, drive by TWC Arena, or check out their official website and you will see that the former "primary logo" is no longer in use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.9.102.199 (talk) 18:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

The fact that their secondary logo is being emphasized does not make it a primary logo. The Jazz and Raptors, for example, hardly use their primary logos anywhere, but that doesn't make them secondary logos. Teams in the NBA do this all the time because it costs a lot of money to significantly alter (i.e. completely change) their primary logos. Recolors and minor alterations are not as expensive and that's why you see teams like the Timberwolves, Bucks, Raptors, Hawks, Nuggets, Cavaliers, Hornets and Jazz making only subtle changes or recolors rather than completely revamping or replacing their primary logos.
The "head-on" Bobcat logo has never been a primary logo, and will never be unless the Bobcats want to spend the money to change it. The "profile view" Bobcat is, and always, has been, the Bobcats' primary logo.69.251.8.191 (talk) 21:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The "secondary logo" is not a new primary logo because of its resent use; the Bobcats would have to official change it first. Also, the original primary logo is still in use. Here's proof:

  • [1] - the logo can be seen with all the other NBA teams' primary logos.
  • [2] - as recently as 01/08/11 the original primary logo is still used as the Bobcats' logo.
  • Also, as said above, the fact their secondary logo is being emphasized doesn't make it their primary logo. The Raptors, for example, hardly use their primary logo (as you can see on the Raptors official website ---> [3]), but that doesn't make it their secondary logo. 24.74.42.80 (talk) 05:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Stephen Jackson??[edit]

Stephen Jackson (the teams capitan) is not listed in the roster needs fixing Wrestlings Savior (talk) 17:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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The logo displayed as the team's current primary mark is actually a recolored version of the old logo where 'Charlotte' was positioned outside of the 'Bobcats' crest. In the newly recolored logo, 'Charlotte' is now inside of the 'Bobcats' crest. Here is an sRGB-Optimized graphic of the latest Charlotte Bobcats primary mark which I suggest be used.

McBeastie (talk) 14:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Note: All pictuires for Wikipedia need to be uploaded to Wikipedia. Mdann52 (talk) 17:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


Charlotte Hornets redirect to this page?[edit]

I think the page Charlotte Hornets should be made a redirect to the Charlotte Bobcats considering the name change move (until the name becomes official after the 2013-14 season), and the current placeholder page for Charlotte Hornets be moved to Charlotte Hornets (disambiguation) 108.250.205.112 (talk) 01:15, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Who gets the Charlotte Hornets' history from 1988-2002?[edit]

With the Bobcats changing their name to Hornets as of the 2014-15 season, which franchise will get to claim the history of the original Charlotte Hornets (1988-2002)? Will it be...

  • The New Orleans Pelicans, since it's part of the same franchise?
  • The current Charlotte Bobcats, since both the original and current NBA teams there will soon share the same name?
  • Or, will the entire history of the Charlotte/New Orleans Hornets from 1988-2013 be transferred to Charlotte, leaving the Pelicans to start over with a new history in 2013? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.114.108.110 (talk) 02:04, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

My understanding is that the two franchises keep their history lineage intact, kinda like how the Winnipeg Jets is not the same as the Winnipeg Jets (1972–96). How that affects the colors and logo remains to be seen. 108.250.205.112 (talk) 13:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


New Orleans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.125.21 (talk) 01:52, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

The team announced on May 20, 2014 that it was assuming the history of the old Hornets from 1988-2002, so the Hornets info will need to reflect that first era of Hornets history and the history of the Pelicans will need to be changed only to assume the years 2003 and forward. Schnu (talk) 17:53, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


Requested move (April 2014)[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. The consensus is that this move will be appropriate when the name changes. However, there is no evidence that it has yet done so, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Feel free to open a new move request if and when the name does actually change. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)



– Because the Charlotte Bobcats' season has ended, their time with the Bobcats name has ended, and they will be adopting the name "Charlotte Hornets". The article with that name is currently a disambiguation page with a listing of old/defunct sports franchises. Since the Bobcats/Hornets will be the only active team with the name, they should assume the "Charlotte Hornets" article and the disambiguation page should be moved to "Charlotte Hornets (disambiguation)". Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talkcontributions) 13:16, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Support. According to the official FAQ regarding the rebrand, "We anticipate making the change the day after the final game of this season." That day is today, so let's get moving! Tom Danson (talk) 15:12, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Support. The seasons over for the Bobcats, and so is their time as the Bobcats. Bring on the Hornets.--Dcheagletalkcontribs 19:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Support. About freakin' time! Bring on the Hornets! Geologik (talk) 22:44, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Speedy support Red Slash 00:32, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. Although there is support here, the larger question should be when. As of now, the official web site still lists the team as the "Bobcats", and most reliable sources still refer to the team as the "Bobcats". It would be premature to move this Wikipedia article before it both becomes official and reliable sources start using the new name. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:12, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment I would support this move when the NBA and the team officially announce the team's name change. Before that announcement happens, they will still be the Bobcats. Canuck89 (chat with me) 06:29, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
  • Support The Bobcats will never play another game, no point in keeping the page as is. Page itself even states now that Bobcats were renamed. Stealth Matrix (talk) 02:28, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose – the proposal seems to be based on crystal ball: they will be adopting the name "Charlotte Hornets". Let's wait until we seem a dominance of references to the team in sources using the new name; we follow, not lead. Dicklyon (talk) 04:39, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Support but wait until the league or the team officially announce the name has been changed. Right now their official website are still www.nba.com/bobcats/ while www.nba.com/hornets/ is still a redirect to New Orleans Pelicans website. — MT (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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Hornets rebrand 'official' on May 20th[edit]

According to the Bobcats twitter feed, "The franchise will hold a press conference on Tuesday, May 20th at 12:30pm to recognize the official name change." twitter.com/bobcats/status/467317012923170816 Stealth Matrix (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2014 (UTC) webpage already changed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.144.47 (talk) 23:54, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Name Change made on May 19[edit]

As of May 19, 2014, NBA.com officialy lists the franchise as the Charlotte Hornets and going to Bobcats.com redirects you to Hornets.com. So according to the NBA, the Charlotte Bobcats no longer exists, so I guess now's the time to start the moving process. Dknights411 (talk) 01:42, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move (May 2014)[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved as a snow, speedy closed, per the comments below, and the previous move request. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


Charlotte BobcatsCharlotte Hornets – On May 19, 2014, the NBA changed the Bobcats to the Hornets on NBA.com, and the team's own website redirects to Hornets.com. This re-request is to restart the process to officially change the Wikipedia article too. Dknights411 (talk) 02:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

it is now may 20 in charlotte — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.144.47 (talk) 04:03, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

  • Support BRIT 06:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

why was this change to CH NBA? that is too long and silly just call it simply CH why do people make things so hard on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.144.47 (talk) 16:04, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

  • Support and comment: It seems they're retaining the history of the original Charlotte Hornets up until the 2002 move, but the Pelicans keep whatever Hornets history since the 2002-03 season. Kind of like how the NFL regards the histories of the Browns and Ravens, and I'm sure it will be similar if Seattle ever gets an NBA team again. [4] Tampabay721 (talk) 16:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Csworldwide1 (talk) 18:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. --Gwguffey (talk) 21:11, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Support specially as the current Charlotte Hornets page clearly deserves to be on Charlotte Hornets (disambiguation), and the NBA team doesn't need the disambiguation. igordebraga 00:32, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Move Fix[edit]

I think that this page needs another move. It doesn't need the NBA tag at the end. This article should simply be "Charlotte Hornets" and the current "Charlotte Hornets" article should be moved to "Charlotte Hornets (disambiguation)"Dknights411 (talk) 16:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC) you are right please move ASAP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.144.47 (talk) 16:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, yes it should. Watching the Hornets press conference online, they mentioned that, along with help from the New Orleans Pelicans, all the records and statistics from the original Hornets (1988-2002) will be incorporated into the current Hornets franchise. There's going to be run on editing for all Hornets and Pelicans related articles. I hope folks take some time to make sure edits are done correctly. Geologik (talk) 16:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

[5] Tampabay721 (talk) 17:16, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


Look at the page now. So many poor edits... grammatically incorrect and poor syntax. Seems the woodwork came out to play today. 64.39.73.130 (talk) 23:37, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, an administrator needs to remove the (NBA) tag at the end of this page. Attempted to move Charlotte Hornets to Charlotte Hornets (disambiguation) earlier and it would not let me, for one. Stealth Matrix (talk) 02:33, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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Lineage of Charlotte and New Orleans franchises[edit]

I understand that the history of the 1988-2002 Hornets has been returned to the current Charlotte franchise. But what I'm failing to see is a distinction that the current Charlotte franchise is retroactively being determined to have started in 1988 and not 2004 (hence my disputing the founding date and wording used in the lead). The closest parallel that I see is the Cleveland Browns - their original team moved to Baltimore and became the Baltimore Ravens. However, the NFL ruled that despite the relocation, the Baltimore Ravens would officially be considered an expansion franchise, and that Browns operations would officially be viewed as having ceased for 3 years before resuming in 1999. I see no such determination having been made by the NBA. So despite the history of the original Hornets coming back to Charlotte, I don't see how we can ignore the fact that the original franchise has legally existed since 1988 and has only gone thru relocations and renamings. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talkcontributions) 15:22, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

You don't have to understand it...but it's our duty to go by what it officially says. As it stands, the Pelicans agreed to give the new Hornets the original Hornets' history. How then, would you indicate that on the article (your revisions left no sign of it). Tom Danson (talk) 15:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
... the lead in both article plainly states the Pelicans gave the Hornets the Charlotte basketball history. I'm not disagreeing with that at all. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talkcontributions) 15:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
But you're only giving it "lip service." If you acknowledge that the new Hornets have the old Hornets' history, you need to back it up by incorporating that in the article, otherwise your acknowledgment doesn't sound authentic (That's like saying a certain horse is the fastest at the racetrack, but refusing to bet on it) Tom Danson (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
I believe the announcement yesterday was actually the NBA stating that the Pelicans are now considered to have been a new expansion franchise as of 2002. And that the Bobcats prior were just a resumption of the original Hornets franchise. I think that was the whole point of this. Just like the Browns/Ravens. -DJSasso (talk) 16:49, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Do you have any sources that say that the Pelicans are retroactively considered an expansion franchise? I can't find anything that says other than "Hornets brand, stats, records, and history goes back to Charlotte". Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talkcontributions) 17:03, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
What else can "Hornets brand, stats, records, and history goes back to Charlotte" mean except for that? You say that you acknowledge that the new team has the history, but then stubbornly state that "until they use the EXACT WORDS 'expansion franchise' for the Pelicans, I'm not considering it that"...so tell me, what else can that headline mean? Tom Danson (talk) 19:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not saying they need to use exact language of any type, but there is a very big difference between franchise A giving franchise B another back its basketball history and retroactively deciding that franchise A was founded as an expansion team on a completely different date. I'm not being stubborn, I'm trying to keep a stable version of the article together while discussion takes place. So far, I'm only getting a temperamental response from you. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talkcontributions) 19:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
You say there's a difference, I'm just asking you what is that difference? How can a franchise, started in 2004 get back its past history from the past franchise's 1988-2002 incarnation, without declaring that that franchise is to be officially considered one and the same? Point out ONE potential scenario and we can move this discussion forward. Tom Danson (talk) 19:35, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
For all intents and purposes, the Charlotte Hornets history begins in 1988 with the records and history being returned from the Pelicans. The Pelicans history and records will now start in 2002. There is no need to classify the Pelicans or the Hornets as expansion team anymore. I noticed the edit war in the Pelicans infox (much the same as it was here), but it looks like it's been resolved in the infobox. If the history of the Charlotte Hornets starts in 1988 through 2002, there is no history for the Pelicans prior to that date, therefore it makes no sense for any other founding date. I'm still perplexed why people are having such a difficult time with this. It's pretty common sense. The Bobcats are now the Hornets, with a history dating back to 1988. The Pelicans are the Pelicans with their own history starting in 2002. I am also getting quite a chuckle with all the editors coming out of the woodwork with the Hornets' return. When I was working on Bobcats articles years back, it was pretty much just me. Hah. Geologik (talk) 03:11, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Geologik. You explained it better than I could...PS: the Charlotte Hornets were and are a popular brand...get used the page being swamped with activity again! Tom Danson (talk) 14:53, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand why it says "suspended operations." No operations were suspended when Shinn moved the team. Is this revisionism? BShaw20 (talk) 17:15, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Tom. Seems like the furor about what dates belong where has died down. BShaw, there were no suspended operations. When the Hornets moved, the NBA moved to award Charlotte the expansion Bobcats. With the history from 1988-2002 returning to the Bobcats it's simply a two year gap. Feel free to remove that part in the header. Geologik (talk) 18:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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