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Definitely NOT invented in 1973!!!
Israeli scientists may have improved the cherry tomato in 1973 but my mother was buying them at Gruber's Grocery Store in what was then the Village of Milan, Michigan in 1965.
So, the cherry tomato definitely was NOT invented in 1973! This article should be withdrawn until the true facts of the fruits origin are researched AND verified, since the statements it makes are patently false!
I've added several links and articles (including the newspaper articles from the lower discussion) to demonstrate that the cherry tomato predates 1973, and I will continue to monitor this page for further Israel related vandalism. Popular strains of cherry tomato were grown and exported from Greece in the 1800s, and likely earlier than that. --Stvfetterly (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
"Israel related vandalism" (sic) reveals a political bias (would the author be monitoring "French-related vandalism" in an entry on French fries?) and is inappropriate.Lpressw (talk) 18:27, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Origins and History of Cherry Tomato
According to Andrew F. Smith, cherry tomato originated in Peru and Northern Chile. Apparently large lumpy fruits are variations of the smooth-skinned cherry tomato. According to the paper by Yuling Bai and Pim Lindhout, "wild tomato species have tiny fruits made to propagate the species and not to feed human beings". Domestication and breeding increased the fruit size. and numerous cultivars of tomatoes were already available at the end of the 19th century.Overbridge (talk) 06:37, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
F. Smith, Andrew (1994). The tomato in America: early history, culture, and cookery. University of South Carolina Press. ISBN 978-1570030000.
Bai, Yuling; Lindhout, Pim (2007), "Domestication and Breeding of Tomatoes: What have We Gained and What Can We Gain in the Future?", Oxford Journals, Annals of Botany, Oxford University Press, 100 (5): 1085–1094
Haim Rabinowitch and Nachum Kedar
I could not find any claim by Prof. Haim Rabinowitch and Prof. Nachum Kedar to have invented cherry tomato. According to the documentation you can find below, they worked in developing long shelf-life hybrids tomatoes. A variety called Daniela (beefsteak tomatoes) is one result of their efforts. They co-head BonTom research group one of the largest and leading tomato breeding groups worldwide.Overbridge (talk) 05:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
- Richard Manning. "Super Organics". wired.com.
- "Success Stories". Yissum.
- "BonTom tomato varieties". BonTom.
This claim makes no sense. The cultivar Large Red Cherry is considered an heirloom. There's no way the cherry tomato was invented in the early 1970's. Did these professors "invent" a certain variety of cherry tomato? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:47, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- According to "A whole foods primer: a comprehensive, instructive, and enlightening guide", there were tomatoes in central america in 1519, but there is nothing saying they were cherry tomatoes. invention has been cited in 1973, therefore removed the offending statement and tag --Worm 13:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Better photo needed
You see that is the prob wif your photos taken with no visual scale indicator. Those red fuits could be the size of thimbles, but then again they could be the size of watermelons. Since the only pertinent quality of a cherry tomato is its small size, a photo of one which does not clearly indicate this could be likened unto taking a picture of the world's smallest dog lying in his basket but giving no clue as to how big he might really be. Myles325a (talk) 04:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Origins of popular strains of Cherry Tomatoes
I removed this part:
There has recently been some controversy regarding this claim. See:
It would seem that the information in that sentence is not necessarily correct, and due to the recent controversy and use in Israeli state press materials I removed it until properly sourced. I looked around a good bit myself to find supporting evidence - it would seem that the only information I could find was either from the Israeli government PR office, or used the Israeli PR office as its only source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
The objectivity of the political source quoted here (angryarab.blogspot) can be assessed by another statement by him that drip irrigation was not invented in Israel but in the "US". As per Wikipedia (paragraph breaks removed): "Modern drip irrigation began its development in Germany in 1860 when researchers began experimenting with subsurface irrigation using clay pipe to create combination irrigation and drainage systems. Research was later expanded in the 1920s to include the application of perforated pipe systems. The usage of plastic to hold and distribute water in drip irrigation was later developed in Australia by Hannis Thill. Usage of a plastic emitter in drip irrigation was developed in Israel by Simcha Blass and his son Yeshayahu. Instead of releasing water through tiny holes easily blocked by tiny particles, water was released through larger and longer passageways by using velocity to slow water inside a plastic emitter. The first experimental system of this type was established in 1959 by Blass who partnered later (1964) with Kibbutz Hatzerim to create an irrigation company called Netafim. Together they developed and patented the first practical surface drip irrigation emitter. In the United States, the first drip tape, called Dew Hose, was developed by Richard Chapin of Chapin Watermatics in the early 1960s. Modern drip irrigation has arguably become the world's most valued innovation in agriculture since the invention of the impact sprinkler in the 1930s, which offered the first practical alternative to surface irrigation." Lpressw (talk) 18:35, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Origins of the POPULAR strains
Popular is the key. Cherry tomatoes indeed existed before Nahum Keidar or Israel were born, but the popular strain across the world today was developed by him. The difference is longer life-span and better taste that made them marketable. His development enabled Israel to sell the seeds to the cherry tomatoes, and they are being grown all over the world. Also, I find it problematic that you are citing an Anti-Israeli BLOG which represents an opinion (and a skewed one) as your source of reference. Here's a more reliable reference - http://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/copyright/en/wipo_ip_fin_ge_09/wipo_ip_fin_ge_09_7-main1.pdf page 62 - I hope someone reads it and edits the Israelis credit back in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Not invented in 1973 ...
Looking at some past news articles, it seems that the cherry tomato existed before 1973. This article refers to Richard Nixon and his family members having cherry tomato salad in 1971. This article refers to and shows a picture of a cherry tomato in 1967. In fact, this article from 1919 refers to the cherry tomato as one of the varieties of tomato. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:42, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
This article says that cherry tomatoes are a variety of tomato. This is not true. They are a size/shape of tomato. There are many varieties of cherry tomatoes, however, but this article does not appear to be about a specific one called Cherry (and so, the statement is inaccurate, even if a variety called Cherry exists, especially as a variety called Cherry likely does not meet Wikipedia's standards for being notable). Anyway, also, many of the pictures in the article appear to be of currant tomatoes (not cherry tomatoes). Currant tomatoes are smaller than cherry tomatoes (and smaller than grape tomatoes). I don't have time to add sources for all this information (hence the talk instead of an edit), but sources are out there, I'm sure. Shoreu (talk) 09:25, 7 May 2015 (UTC)