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International Day for the Protection of Children[edit]

Since "International Day for the Protection of Children" gets redirected to this article, is celebrated in the most countries by number and predates the 'Universal Day' it should have more prominence. So far the article is very biased towards the 'Universal Day' as proclaimed by UN.

I suggest at least adding a fuller intro: The International Day for the Protection of Children was established in Moscow, on November 22, 1949 at the meeting of the Women’s International Democratic Federation, after the World Conference for the Well-being of Children proclaimed the day on June 1, 1925 in Geneva. It became universally established in 1954, the aim being to protect children’s rights, end child labor and guarantee access to education. also to protect children from human trafficking as it is a horrible thing to do by only the most disgusting people ever to live. 198.96.180.245 (talk) 22:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes i realy think our child need to be protected. Camelia foster (talk) 15:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes i realy think our child need to be protected. Camelia foster (talk) 15:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

They are paying the Price for us. Camelia foster (talk) 15:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

23 April[edit]

Turkey section claims that "The importance of April 23th is recognised by UNESCO since 1992, as the International Children's Day." I am Turkish and want this to be true but couldn't find any reliable source. Also as noted in UNESCO's site [1] and wikipedia article 23 April is World Book and Copyright Day. We should find the source or delete the information. Book day is first celebrated in 1995 so may be they changed their mind at some point. þħɥʂıɕıʄʈʝɘɖı 18:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Since nobody has any objections I am removing it. þħɥʂıɕıʄʈʝɘɖı 02:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Japan section[edit]

I just tried to tighten up the language, but I grabbed the "happiness and personality" information from the Kodomo no hi article to better tie the two together. --Lloegr-Cymru£ ¥ 02:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Why does this article link to International child abduction in Japan? It's a tangential topic at best.

For that matter, why does the section on Germany have a picture of a book burning? Sure, it happened on Children's Day, but it seems like too much of specific subtopic.Cicero225 (talk) 09:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

China and Japan[edit]

It mentions China and the Dragon Boat Festival in the section about International Children's Day, but it might be useful to specify that China currently celebrates ICD, instead of just saying that "June 1 has since been observed as the ICD by numerous countries, especially by Communist countries".

Although the Japanese Children's Day is no longer Boy's Day, May 5 is still often referred to as "Tangonosekku" (端午の節句) in the way that Hina Matsuri can be referred to as "Momo no Sekku" (桃の節句). They are more like "other names" for the day. The section currently makes it sound as if the name "Tango no sekku" has been replaced and discarded.

As a side note, it seems kind of strange how gifts are not mentioned. At least in Japan and Taiwan, most children expect at least small presents for Children's Day, just as how most kids in N. America expect presents for Christmas... Terukiyo 12:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

If you think these should be included, go for it. Also check out the main article on Kodomo no hi to see if that could also use some touch-ups along the lines you've discussed. --Lloegr-Cymru£ ¥ 12:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

In Chile Children's Day is celebrated the FIRST sunday of august.

Alphabetical ordering[edit]

Is there a particular reason why Slovakia and South Korea are not arranged in alphabetical order?--Bliz (talk) 15:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

What? Is this correct?[edit]

Is this correct?

"North Korean Children's Day is celebrated on June 2 (국제 아동절). Before 1945 it was celebrated on May 1, But in 1945, it was changed to its current date."
I didn't know North Korea existed in 1945... Moocowsrule (talk) 05:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

South Korea? It is celebrated in the Republic of Korea on June 5, but the Republic of Korea is not on the list. 211.195.53.91 (talk) 03:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Children's day in India...[edit]

Obligatory Joke:

No wonder that Children's Day in the world's second most populous nation falls exactly 9 months after Valentine's Day. Lucifer (Talk) 17:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

This should be removed[edit]

Hi there, in reference to the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Day#New_Zealand. I searched to find the date NZ celebrates this so I could buy a special something for my much loved daughters. Seeing the fact that NZ has high rates of Child Abuse and Family Violence, although devastatingly true was horrible to see in a public forum. I believe World Childrens Day is to celebrate children, not draw attention to a countries serious problems. It is correct that the Government, NZ Police Child Youth & Family are making valuable daily advances in eliminating this problem but it was dismaying to see it on a world wide forum for all to see. Thank you Ticklesnz (talk) 21:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

What's with the "Oregon" paragraph in the USA?[edit]

Though the information itself might be valuable, it's written in first person as a personal experience. This should be either removed or rewritten. My inclination would be to delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.81.210.173 (talk) 15:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Uruguay section[edit]

Please note that Uruguay section is not complete. Try to rectify that. 202.90.104.58 (talk) 02:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "International Children's Day"[edit]

The UN resolution called for each country to have their own version and date for "Universal Child Day"

The content about International Child Day is wrong. There are no citations because it doesn't exist in the UN.

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The anonymous commenter is sort of right, sort of wrong ...

By resolution 836(IX) of 14 December 1954, the General Assembly recommended that all countries institute a Universal Children's Day, to be observed as a day of worldwide fraternity and understanding between children. It recommended that the Day was to be observed also as a day of activity devoted to promoting the ideals and objectives of the Charter and the welfare of the children of the world. The Assembly suggested to governments that the Day be observed on the date and in the way which each considers appropriate. The date 20 November, marks the day on which the Assembly adopted the Declaration of the Rights of the Child, in 1959, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child, in 1989.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/children_day/

The UN page is a little contradictory, as it has "Universal Children's Day -- 20 November" and then goes on to say "The Assembly suggested to governments that the Day be observed on the date and in the way which each considers appropriate."

I don't have the time/inclination to fix this, but if anyone does, the UN page would be a good starting point for info. --UrsusMaximus (talk) 09:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The International Children's Day predates the Universal Children's Day and has thus nothing to do with the UN. -- Sloyment (talk) 06:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

The Infobox[edit]

Can anybody tell what WP:RSs support the claim of the day being first celebrated in Turkey? If there are none, then it is either an WP:OR and might need to be cleared up. Aregakn (talk) 14:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Australia[edit]

The comment that Children's Day "is widely known and celebrated" in Australia should be removed. I've lived in Australia all my life, kept in reasonable touch with current affairs and celebrated all the usual holidays, without having once heard of Children's Day. It can't possibly be that widely known in Australia and is definitely not widely celebrated.

I did an online search and found what appears to be the official website: http://www.childrensday.com.au

Apparently the concept was only created recently, in 2007, and participating outlets offering "memberships" are only in two states (NSW and Queensland). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doushenka (talkcontribs) 12:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

picture of German book burning[edit]

The caption reads "burning of _communist_ literature" -- those are socialist "Jungpioniere" in the Soviet sector of Berlin, I'm fairly sure they weren't burning any communist literature there! 84.44.183.153 (talk) 14:16, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

United States section[edit]

Someone recently added a second United States section near the top of the article, in addition to the United States section that already appeared with all the other countries. I compared the information in the new section with the information that was already in the article and found that there were no substantive differences between the two sections. On top of that, the original section was much better documented with citations. (The new section was just lifted verbatim from a different website, and that website had no citations.)

For that reason, I deleted the new section in its entirety.

(Enough said, but I'll add that it is confusing to have two redundant sections, as a reader will need to spend extra time to verify that one section doesn't add useful information that the other section didn't have. Having redundant sections also increases the likelihood that they will eventually contain conflicting information. And finally, there is no justification for having a United States section outside of the already existing list of countries.) PJMweb (talk) 02:17, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Google Doodle[edit]

Please lock - Children's Day is today's Google Doodle. Thanks! Pm master (talk) 05:02, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

greater china[edit]

so now taiwan is renouncing itself from the term greater china as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.118.222.166 (talk) 14:04, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

There's a little bit mistake made with Hungary, in stead of Hungary it says Hungry, Could anyone please correct that? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.98.104.45 (talk) 20:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Green tickY Fixed. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 17:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request, 22 November 2013[edit]

Canada celebrates on the 20th of November, not the 25th as this page implies.

24.114.39.156 (talk) 14:29, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 17:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Ireland[edit]

The Ireland section seems inflammatory and should be more specific about observance. Wikisith (talk) 04:59, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

The infobox[edit]

The infobox is very confusing as the article does not only cite June 1 as Children's Day. Also "national" days are different for many countries. I will remove the box. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 16:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

WP logo?[edit]

I don't see how a fan-made WP logo should be relevant in this page. --Elitre (talk) 18:41, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Nigerian Children's Day[edit]

Children's Day is May 27th in Nigeria. Can someone please add it to the table? I don't want to mess up the formatting. Asarelah (talk) 17:51, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

New Zealand[edit]

The article claims that "In New Zealand, Children's Day is typically celebrated on the first Sunday in March" In my 50 years, I have never heard of a Children's Day in New Zealand.Royalcourtier (talk) 00:59, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

United Kingdom[edit]

The table suggests the day is celebrated in the UK on 20th November, but there is no UK entry. I have never heard of such a day before, though ,my daughter seems keen that it should be established as another opportunity to spend money one one's offspring.

Hmm... it seems there's a website [[2]] promoting Sunday 15 May run by several children's charities, but it isn't well known. It seems the day is more about Child welfare and awareness than giving expensive gifts and cards to one's children (thank goodness). Stub Mandrel (talk) 09:35, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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Review within the Wikipedia Primary School project[edit]

Review of Children's Day article.pdf

Hi all. As anticipated, some weeks ago Stefano Marmorato agreed to review this article within the scope of the project linked above. You can find his notes in the PDF I just uploaded to Commons. We'd like to thank Stefano Marmorato for his work and for his helpful notes. We invite everybody to feel free to reuse the review to improve the article and/or to comment it here. Best, Anthere (talk) 19:21, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

To facilitate the editing process, I copied Stefano Marmorato notes below.

Quality of the Summary[edit]

Is the summary of the article a complete, thorough, and concise introduction to the topic? How do you think the summary could be improved? Which meaningful data are missing? Is there something that you find too much detailed for a general overview of the topic?

There is an introduction which could function as summary, since it mentions both what is described in the following paragraph (Universal Child Day) and the fact that in many countries around the world there are some sort of celebrations of Children’s Day (and many short or longer accounts are given in the rest of the article, distinguishing country by country).

Maybe a mention of the differences among the interpretations of the meaning or among the elements emphasized from country to country (or better from group of countries to groups of countries) could improve the completeness of the introduction.

Structure and style of the article[edit]

Is the article properly presenting the topic for a general public? Does the article provide a complete and easy-to-navigate structure? Which paragraph would you add, unify or split into different parts? Please provide a list of suggestions. Is the article well written and understandable at a high school level?

The article does present the topic in a simple language for non-specialists/activists, etc. and the contents are giving a picture of the issue across the world which is clear enough to understand its global interest (and the limitation to awareness raising campaigns or celebrations, without aiming at making any effective change or strong political pressure per se).

The structure is actually too simple and not fully satisfactory according to me: first, the main paragraph is focused on the UN meaning and interpretation, which then is proved as not the only one, even if I confess that the differences are slight and political more than in the very contents of the celebrations.

Second, there is little effort to group the many cases presented (I guess, by many authors?) into categories (if this is possible) so that the reader can make a sense of the quantity of information. However, the detail can be appreciated by some researchers, according to the goal of the internet research. So I feel that a conclusion or some meaning of all the info provided could be a nice effort.

Content[edit]

Is the article comprehensive of major facts related to the topic? Is the article adequately placing the subject in context? What does it miss? Please provide a list of topics you think should be included in the article (suggestions must be related to bibliography). Do you find that some arguments are not meaningful or representative of the topic for a general public. What should be deleted? Please explain why.

Since the aim is giving a general overview of the phenomenon across the world, the task is difficult and the attempt of summarizing information and a glimpse of everything is overall acceptable.

However I think there is a serious problem in the main descriptive paragraph of the Universal Children’s Day: besides some syntax mistakes (see below in red highlight), there is an unnecessary indication of what UNICEF does (see the yellow highlight – either the author is working for this agency and wants to give visibility to the agency, or he/she picked quotes from UNICEF wikipedia article randomly) and it could have at least be complemented by the description of some other agencies complementing the work by UNICEF (which, by the way, rarely DOES the work, so the paragraph is also a bit too boasting).

In 2000, the Millennium Development Goals outlined by world leaders in order to stop the spread of HIV/AIDS by 2015. Albeit…
UNICEF delivers vaccines, works with policymakers for good health care and education and works exclusively to help children and protect their rights.*[6]

Anyway, the paragraph explains very well what is the real meaning of the celebration (at least according to the UN’s - which is in general shared by everyone who cares about this date) and I feel it is very useful for the young reader.

There is a lack of information I detected in the sub-paragraph about South Africa. The article explicitly says that there is not much interest in the date (so someone has been consulted about it) but… does not say that a lot of emphasis is placed on 16th June, YOUTH DAY, and the historical facts and meaning of that Day, which encompasses the need and aim to protect children’s rights (and adolescents’ rights, youth in general).
I think it is a serious point missing. Most probably similar gaps are there for other countries I have no knowledge about. E.g. Cuba, where I suspect there are special functions on Children’s Day.

In fact in some African countries there is the Children’s “fortnight” (a Quinzena da Criança, in Mozambique) between 1st and 16th June, similarly to the 16 days of Activism of South Africa for the run up to World Aids Day (1st December).

Finally, I felt very uncomfortable for the way the “former and current Communist countries” are dealt with (which one is former and which one is current???? The authors are scared to say… as if they want to respect the mystery of this “pathological thing”). Information was clearly so outdated that it was then corrected by mention of what has changed (Czechoslovakia, USSR dismembered, etc.) but not enough.

And, if a chapter on the socialist meaning and interpretation of Children’s Day is deserved… well, let’s have it. But leaving such a group without proper description of what was unifying their vision on the topic is not very useful (actually it perpetrates myths about the Red Danger).

In general there are odd sentences regarding the communist character of countries or practices. I advise update and revision by someone who knows the matter (and is objective even in the language!). The Germany description suffers from the same disease: East Germany appears as stupidly and “manipulatedly” focused on “games and presents for children” while West Germany was focused on “political rights” etc… frankly we are in 2015 and some more objectivity would be appreciated.

International and local dimension[edit]

Is the article neutral (it presents general and acknowledged views fairly and without bias)? Is the article representative of the international dimension and consolidated research about the topic? If applicable, does the article feature examples from all over the world (no localisms)? Please draft a list of what is missing with related references.

This dimension is very well taken care of by the article. For the sake of precision and detail, the article tried to provide as much information as possible.
However, as mentioned above, it is not very satisfactory that the only elaboration (grouping) dealt with the “former or current communist countries” in a superficial way, and with non-updated names and alignment of countries (corrected in a sterile way, as if the collective authors wanted to say “we warn you that there is something wrong here, but we cannot touch the matter… it is too hot we could burn our fingers… so we leave to you a superficial and neutral mention”… which becomes not-so-neutral, in the end of the day, it is at best historically acceptable)

References (essential to allow the articles to be improved)[edit]

Is the list of publications comprehensive and updated? Does it list the fundamental monographs and papers? Please provide primary/generic and secondary/original resources which need to be included and suggest the list of publications which should be removed.

“DNA del Niño” (Wikipedia article in Spanish) mentions South African choice for 16th June (I mean the fact that there is political and people’s passion for the date, not the “almost nothing” reported in the article)

These are just random examples of celebrations in Cuba, where the “communist” past (until recently) did not prevent from adopting the UN interpretation and where Children’s rights have been apparently fulfilled (according to UN reports – e.g. education and health!), despite the political regime so much opposed by who thinks and preaches that rights (in general) would be best fulfilled in a “democratic society”... I do not want to make any political statement, but Children’s Rights real fulfilment might be an opportunity to reflect on which regimes really/practically care about them.