Talk:Children's Online Privacy Protection Act

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Vandalism reverted[edit]

Admittedly, I don't know the correct style for reversions of vandalism, but I successively rolled back changes to this article made on August 14, 2015 at 08:27. Certifiablenerd (talk) 19:04, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Possible contradiction? Or clarification required[edit]

This article states that both the COPPA (which it is about) and the COPA "passed". However, the COPA article states that the COPA did not pass for being unconstitutional. — Timwi 09:10, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Congress can pass laws whether they are constitutional or not. The Supreme Court can overturn laws for being unconstitutional. The law still passed, it was just subsequently overturned.

legal action resulting from COPPA[edit]

There has been legal action resulting from COPPA. Toysmart is one example. Another example: the FTC imposed a $30,000 penalty on Lisa Frank, Inc. for COPPA violations. Other examples can be found at the ftc website (ftc.gov) or CARU's website (caru.org).

I think common opinions should be stated in this article[edit]

This law is considered quite controversial, and I think this article should reflect that. Since it was first passed, I've heard a whole lot of criticism of this law, for example, that it's unconstitutional as it limits people's freedom, that it was badly implemented, and that it cannot be enforced anyhow. Then you have those who argue that it's necessary, and that it's fulfilling its purpose.

Im 60 years old i think COPPA is stupid. I use instagram and youtube and don't care if you trying to protect us you can just change it to anyone under 10 i hate you COPPa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanandpeopleyaywoohoo (talkcontribs) 19:47, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

The article as it is is quite short, and over-simplifies things. If a law in not unanimously accepted, I feel that should be mentioned. --82.7.125.142 23:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

  • I agree completely. There should at least be "criticisms" like in most other pages on similar topics. I would have to say this is one of (if not the) most controversial things to have happened to the internet in resent times. --Bky1701 12:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I also agree. I have a little brother who is under 13 years old, and this law has effected him quite a bit. People should be able to see both sides of it, not just a few paragraphs about the very basic aspects. I think a criticism section or even another article should be made to explain the negative effects of the law. Kate 18:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I also agree. It's limits personal freedom instead of child protection. What FTC want? Criticism section is needed for this article.Junk Police (talk) 08:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I also agree. I am 15 years old, but I hate this law. It limits the personal freedom and choosing freedom of children under 13. I have some friends aged below 13 from entire Internet, and they say to me that they feel uncomfortable when joining any forum. It does NOT protect children, it only limits the freedom. So, I want to invite anybody under 13 here, and make a rebellion against this law. I for being against this law was banned 3 times on forums, and most people on forums hate me. So, if anybody under 13 or against this law here, let's make a rebellion! Children under 13 must not be blocked from Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, because this is only place where everybody can express themselves. Children under 13 must have freedom of self-expression! Don't block them from entire internet! Scanten kun (talk) 13:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

COPPA sounds like pure communism. Does nothing to actually protect children, it simply is an anti-corporate law that limits personal freedom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.25.130 (talk) 11:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree as it limits personal freedom. The law is quite negatively received by some people. 76.21.122.234 (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

opinions in wikipedia[edit]

It's true that COPPA is controversial and problematic, and that this reality should be included in the article, but the original article felt a bit too one-sided. However, as a new editor I am hesitant to try to change that balance myself, so I'll just leave it alone and focus on what I know to be factually accurate.

What I'd like to do (when I get some time next week) is just add more factual information about COPPA, such as key details of the rule, examples of legal action (with links), and the recent decision to extend the "sliding scale" mechanism that relaxes the rules for certain websites.

And I welcome any feedback or advice from more experienced editors.

Implementation[edit]

The article seems to have a bias against COPPA and a certain ignorance in the law's implementation and real-world execution.

As a professional website producer who works quite often with COPPA, and who's clients include Fortune 100 companies, I simply can't believe without citation the claim that entire sites have shut down purely because of COPPA. I can tell you that building in a check like an email to a parent requesting permission (a very quick, simple and effective method), or requesting a user's age is incredibly easy. My team will take anywhere from 6-18 months to build a major website, and the addition of COPPA is negligible, taking perhaps 2-5 days out of our entire timeline, depending on the method of verification. The law is in fact quite flexible as to how a site checks a user's age. As the person responsible for delivering websites on time and on budget, COPPA just isn't for me a concern from a business or web development standpoint.

If a poster wants to claim websites that market to children all of a sudden are helpless in light of this law and need to shut down completely, we definately need to see verifcation of such a claim, otherwise it's just a business failure excuse.

If we're talking about effectiveness, there is certainly some debate (although, as I wrote, the email verfication has worked just fine for us). But to claim businesses have had to shut down because of the cost of compliance is simply not credible. Getting fined for non-compliance is another issue.

Implementation not on wiki[edit]

Am I allowed to do this if I am 12? I didn't even have to put in my email, dumbasses. PETN 01:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing that by its autobiography policy, Wikipedia does not want the kinds of autobiographical information that COPPA regulates. --Damian Yerrick () 17:15, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

There are sources![edit]

The article now has sources, thanks to a nice editor. :) I'm going to remove the "article does not cite sources..." notice.

Just so you know. RexyRex 23:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, can we get some sources on sites catering to kids that had to be shut down because of COPPA? -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 06:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC) I have been blocked on Community Central Wiki for COPPA, if that helps. --71.237.4.44 (talk) 12:00, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Foreign Countries[edit]

Does the COPPA apply to foreign countries? IE, someone from, let's say Sweden, joins a website with their server in the US. Are they applicable to the COPPA?

COPPA theoretically applies to any website operator who directs their website/service to US children or knows that their website/service is used by US children. However, if they and their servers are based entirely outside of the US, the US authorities will not be able to enforce COPPA against them in practice. Still, it would be prudent for such operators to comply with COPPA if they have any ambitions to expand to the US one day.

Similar laws exist in other countries.[edit]

How about some references or links elsewhere on wikipedia.

Lots of countries have "personal data protection" laws (more than 100 countries as of 2015) which apply to collection of personal data from people of all ages. Not many have laws specifically regulating the collection of personal information online from children. COPPA is quite a specific law because the US doesn't have a broader personal data privacy law.

COPPA suit settled for record amount[edit]

FTC Press Release: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2006/09/xanga.htm

Xanga statement: http://press.xanga.com/2006/09/07/statement/#more-5

Remove paragraph concerning photographs of children?[edit]

I would suggest removing the paragraph indicated below concerning photographs of children. The cited reference ("one US government department") appears to be referring to its own internal policy concerning photographs of children, not to any COPPA requirement.

"The application of the Act to photographs of children is a matter of interpretation that is yet to be tested in the courts. However, one US government department says "There is no restriction on the dissemination of photos of children, if they are taken in public spaces, with no identification, and are used only for editorial (not advertising) purposes. The use of pre-arranged photos, taken in a protected environment such as a school or hospital, and showing a highly-defined and recognizable image, requires a release"[3]

--merilee 17:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)MerileeNC

COPPA effects[edit]

Even though the law is enforced on US of A servers, sites using COPPA contradict Canadian and UK human rights laws. Should we include? --MisterLambda (talk) 19:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

One-sidedness[edit]

I think this article is kinda one sided. It doesn't have a "Controversy/Criticism" section, and it just says the bare minimum of things, as if it's trying not to leak out anything against it. Steel Wool Killer (talk) 01:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes. This law is really an adultist law and it really discriminates children. It contradicts the UN Children's Rights Convention. Scanten kun (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


Criticisms Section Added[edit]

I recently added a Criticisms section to resolve any disputes on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.45.215.201 (talk) 23:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that. It limits the children's rights of freedom of speech and self-expression, and pursuits happiness. 81.162.216.13 (talk) 13:33, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I suppose I could remove the neutrality banner I put in now, due to the section you made. Thanks. Steel Wool Killer (talk) 19:31, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Legal Document needing cleanup[edit]

This article is written like a legal document. Why don't we change it so that it has a more encyclopaedic tone? It also needs reference cleanup and it's sources need to be verified. I just tagged the page recently. DSCrowned(Talk) 10:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO POST THIS?[edit]

Reply if you want, because are underage anonymouses (a.k.a. underage people that are not logged in-to Wikipedia) allowed to browse Wikipedia?? --180.72.25.251 (talk) 11:59, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

If they are indeed anonymous, how would Wikipedia know if these users were underage? Dimadick (talk) 17:16, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for extremely late reply, but is it ok if they edit some articles as well? SFW articles? --180.72.209.178 (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2017 (UTC) (original thread poster)

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