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The Russian ruble is accepted as valid tender in Suifenhe, China[edit]

Chinese government allows to use both the Russian ruble and the yuan, in Suifenhe, China as a legal tender. It is the first time in the history of PRC when the usage of a foreign currency as a payment for goods and services is allowed on its territory. I suggest to add the Russian ruble to the list of currencies along with the yuan in the same fashion as it's done for Panama and US dollar, but with a footnote that its usage is only allowed in a certain region. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.141.26 (talkcontribs) 11:24, November 26, 2014

both nominal total GDP and purchasing power parity[edit]

China is number one by both nominal total GDP and purchasing power parity not number two. Please edit ????. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swax2 (talkcontribs) 16:44, December 19, 2014

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2016[edit]

Hong Kong is not China

Housebravin (talk) 16:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done As clearly, stated Hong Kong and Macau are "mostly self-governing special administrative regions" - the full title of Hong Kong is currently the "Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China" - Arjayay (talk) 16:20, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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It appeared some new info[edit]

this page request updating because are more info about china and i can see this page is blank! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silviu200530 (talkcontribs) 14:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Christians in China[edit]

The estimated number of 2,3 % is far from reality.

Pew Reasearch Center gives an estimate of 67 million, or 5 % of the population, as of 2010 (this is more than double, of the source used in the article). http://www.pewforum.org/files/2011/12/ChristianityAppendixC.pdf

While other estimates, as from billionbibles.org, give numbers far above 100 millions. http://www.billionbibles.org/china/how-many-christians-in-china.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.10.162.221 (talk) 03:58, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

That's covered in more detail at Christianity_in_China#Mainland_China. This article is more general in its coverage. The Pew resource is certainly reliable, but is a year older than the current source in this article. Billionbibles.org's number is an estimate (not a scientific analysis) from a partisan source that would want to piously overestimate in order to encourage missionary work. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Ok. So the Pew resource should be mentioned as a sidenote. 1 % is not little in China, and being a year older - I don't think there has been a decline, after any reports I hear. When it comes to missionary work, I would say it's more encouraged by small numbers, than big (most growth in China doesn't come from outside missionary work, which was in larger degree before Mao). So that would be your opinion about billionbibles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.10.162.221 (talk) 23:41, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 11 December 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Keep the current title per WP:SNOW, (non-admin closure) ∼∼∼∼ Eric0928Talk 17:16, 16 December 2016 (UTC)



ChinaPeople's Republic of China – China may be a short form name, but this article should be renamed to the People's Republic of China in contrast to the Republic of China that controls Taiwan. We know both entities claim to be the legitimate government of China. Wrestlingring (talk) 02:57, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
  • Oppose as my default position. The relevant subsection of the article titles policy is WP:COMMONNAME, which states that Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. In this case, prior discussion has found that the most frequent usage of the term "China" is the People's Republic of China. This consensus is also restated in this talk page's FAQ page. Since the initiator of this discussion has not advanced any argument along the lines of COMMONNAME, I have to oppose on the basis of prior consensus. Mz7 (talk) 03:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
    • To respond to a few comments below that have brought up WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE: I think COMMONNAME and UNDUE go hand in hand. In assigning the proper weight to viewpoints, we look at their prominence in reliable sources. Here, prior consensus has determined that the overwhelming majority of reliable sources use "China" to mean the People's Republic of China. Unless evidence can be provided to oppose this, we would actually be violating NPOV if we assign the same weight to the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China for the term "China". Mz7 (talk) 21:18, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Support biasing this term to either entity is bound to be not complying with NPOV. The article about China in a politically neutral context should be restored at the China title, as is the case on the Chinese Wikipedia and dozens of others. English-language reliable sources don't always use this term to refer to the political entity, for example, the term "Chinese culture" does not necessarily refer to that of the PRC, if this is retained, I'd support moving North Korea to the Korea title just for consistency. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
    • "Chinese culture" is no more separate from China (ie the PRC) than French culture is separate from France, so that argument is completely invalid.--Khajidha (talk) 13:40, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
    • The Chinese Wikipedia's article, 中國 (Zhongguo) seems to cover it. The PRC and ROC on the same Wikipedia are just two articles. 135.23.144.167 (talk) 20:43, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Unlike the Korean states, only one "China" is a member of the United Nations. Taiwan maintains diplomatic relations with about a dozen countries; over 100+ countries do not maintain any sort of official relations, whether diplomatic, at all. This debate would be more contentious if the Republic of China's WP:COMMONNAME were its official name. Because it is not, and for reasons stated in the prior consensus, I oppose the move. GEORGIANGo Dogs 04:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Speedy close - this isn't going to pass and the tag doesn't need to be on the article for 7 days. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. It's 2016 not 1949 and we should not go back to the complete mess the articles were in for years by following what had long been a minority POV. Timrollpickering 12:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Strong support – There are two current entities that lay claim to all of China, and the present situation results in oversimplification. China and the PRC are not one and the same. China is ancient country, the PRC only one of the two governments that exist in China today. Why is the PRC being given WP:UNDUE weight as the only government of China? RGloucester 15:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per WP:COMMONNAME --FutureTrillionaire (talk) 18:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 20:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose and speedy close – ***This discussion has been held before*** (in August 2011), and after a month of detailed deliberations it resulted in a move from "People's Republic of China" to "China" (see Talk:Chinese_civilization/Archive 26#Requested move August 2011 and the statements by three different closing admins). Clincher: some may find the name "China" non-neutral, but per WP:POVTITLE and WP:POVNAMING, even a non-neutral name can be used as an article title if it reflects usage in "a significant majority of English-language reliable sources". The archived discussion gives a long list of sources that use "China" and "Taiwan" instead of PRC and ROC. This line of reasoning anticipates the WP:NPOV objection to WP:COMMONNAME, and therefore invalidates all the "Support" arguments that have been made so far. The 2011 decision could be overturned only if the proponents of the move can prove that usage in reliable sources has shifted since 2011, a prospect I find extremely unlikely considering the state of international affairs. Because the arguments for "People's Republic of China" were made with forceful detail in 2011 but were still rejected, and because it's unlikely that RS usage has shifted since 2011, I suggest we close this discussion quickly. Madalibi (talk) 00:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose as per above, plus: the content of the article, starting with "Pre-history" would make no sense for an article titled PRC.ch (talk) 05:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. There's simply no reason at this time to make the move - unlike the Ireland or Macedonia situation, the PRC is the clear primary topic for "China".  ONR  (talk)  13:25, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose per everything Madalibi posted.--Khajidha (talk) 13:35, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose - What has changed since the last discussion? If the answer is 'nothing', an original and cogent argument is required. William Avery (talk) 14:03, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose—"[b]ecause of the overwhelming usage of 'China' to refer to the People's Republic of China rather than the Republic of China in both Chinese and English languages; we use the common name to title our articles". —MartinZ02 (talk) 15:37, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose per clear WP:COMMONAME. --T*U (talk) 15:56, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose Just no. You may not like it from a political viewpoint, and heck knows neither do I, but the common name of the country is China, regardless of the governing body in charge of "it". I'm not too familiar with the guidelines on issues such as these but from what I have seen here they all point towards keeping this page at its current title. The only other argument I see being put forward for serious consideration is that the title is confusing because of the existence of other entities using the name "China" - going by this logic, the name of Taiwan would also need to be changed.--Chairman Peng Xi (talk) 18:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
  • oppose. The request makes no sense as it is. It needs remaining to contrast the People’s Republic of China with the Republic of China? If anything renaming one or both would just lead to more confusion, as these names are not as widely known as the current names, and are so similar that they are easily confused. That may be in part why people started calling the ROC “Taiwan”, for clarity. This country has of course been known as “China” for a very long time, it’s the common name, and so by far the best thing to call the article.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 19:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
    • Not really, have you read the 中國 (Zhongguo) article on the Chinese Wikipedia? Taiwan and Mainland China are only One China. 135.23.144.167 (talk) 20:43, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
      • Hmm, doesn't undermine the fact "China" is the most common name (by a country mile) for the sovereign entity currently occupying the aforementioned name on Wikipedia. "Zhonggua/o" is the mandarin name for China. It should be noted that the Zh wiki is blocked in the PRC, which I found out to my determent when I was last in China...the zh wiki is dominated by Hong Konger's, Taiwanese and Chinese expat editors. (I even raised this issue with Jimbo Wales and received a response, he was hopeful over the prospects of the Zh wiki being unblocked in China. I wasn't too optimistic, I think you can guess why) --Chairman Peng Xi (talk) 13:18, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
      • This is about the common name of the country in English. This is the English Wikipedia. What other Wikipedias say is irrelevant, if it disagrees with English usage.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 16:37, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
        • This^. I wasn't entirely sure what our IP editor was trying to convey in their last message, but if they're trying to suggest the Zh wiki is somehow more "neutral" then I am inclined to disagree. However, to a Chinese speaking audience it may make more sense to have "China" at a disambiguation page, but what the Zh wiki does is of course pretty much immaterial to this discussion. --Chairman Peng Xi (talk) 16:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Overwhelmingly the common name for the country, whatever the legal niceties. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:26, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The PRC is typically the entity that comes to mind whenever "China" is brought up. The Legal status of the ROC typically has little impact on that discussion. BrxBrx(talk)(please reply with { {re|BrxBrx}}) 23:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Because the People's Republic of China ONLY controls 22 Provinces, Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and Hainan, I strongly support renaming the entire article to the PRC since it's one of the two entities that govern the Mainland. Any additional questions? 135.23.144.153 (talk) 19:37, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
    Taiwan isn't considered part of the mainland. —MartinZ02 (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
    "22 Provinces, Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and Hainan" That's one heck of an "only". --Khajidha (talk) 19:50, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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  • Comment: This move request has been closed. Steel1943 (talk) 21:55, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Superpower[edit]

The article should mention that China has now surpassed the United States to become the world superpower. (31.50.130.128 (talk) 23:31, 28 December 2016 (UTC))

Facts like these need to backed up by credible sources. Do you have any? --FutureTrillionaire (talk) 00:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I'd argue that such things as having a larger military, and larger economy could be considered sources. Also, they seem to be having an increasing power over the affairs of other countries. Socialistboyy (talk) 03:18, 19 February 2017 (UTC) socialistboyy

Merger proposal[edit]

This is just a heads up that another user has started a discussion to merge this page into China (cultural region) at Talk:China (cultural region). ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:18, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2017[edit]

Rchabes (talk) 18:46, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
::Hi! can you give me any advice for improving this artical?--Rchabes (talk) 18:46, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:48, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

XIA dynasty correction in introduction[edit]

In the introduction, the Xia dynasty was called a dynasty of China. However, the Xia's existence hasn't been confirmed by history and archeology, so it would be for the best if mythical status would be noted in the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.226.113.23 (talk) 04:45, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I've added "semi-legendary" to the lead, as its historicity is accepted by some scholars but questioned by others. Few scholars consider it completely mythical. -Zanhe (talk) 05:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Taiwan which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 22:30, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion now closed with no change. Can we please get a moritorium on China-related article moves? oknazevad (talk) 18:36, 4 February 2017 (UTC)